The Indicator Stalk Thread

[hazrd]

LOL

i could try that
"astrrrraaa" and "polllllllo"

[Mountainman]

Lucky that You are not driving Golf Rrrrrr =

Or a GTI........ I-I-I-I-I don't know where the indicators are...........lol

[Corey_R]

So you can have an opinion but unless we have evidence we can't?

What I'm saying is that you can have an opinion on which side you like the indicator stalk on and why. This is an opinion which relates to yourself and the only justification and proof required is your own.

But lets stop this BS on that just because you guys grew up driving cars with the indicator stalks on the right that this means having it on the left is not ergonomic or is just cheap. If you want to make accusations like this, then back it up with studies or references or quotes from the manufacturers.

If you guys can't differentiate the difference between these two things then I'll just close the thread so you don't have to...

[Syd118TSI]

But lets stop this BS on that just because you guys grew up driving cars with the indicator stalks on the right that this means having it on the left is not ergonomic or is just cheap. If you want to make accusations like this, then back it up with studies or references or quotes from the manufacturers.

If you guys can't differentiate the difference between these two things then I'll just close the thread so you don't have to...

Coreying, if the burden of truth lies with anyone it is you. The arguement from the other side is clearly supported by the design of VWs and the fact that for their primary markets the indicator stalk is on the opposite side to the gear stick.

Having it on the left in isolation isn't 'cheap'. Failing to move it to the most common side for the market in question as a cost-saving measure could be construed as being cheap.

Could you answer this question - Why do you think VW (and other European cars) have not changed the side that the indicator is on for our market, despite the majority of cars in our market being the other way round?

Next, are you disputing the following?

You can easily change gears, have your hand on the steering wheel and indicate in a RHD vehicle with an indicator stalk on the right hand side in the majority of road situations. You can't comfortably do the same in a RHD vehicle with the indicator stalk on the left.

[Corey_R]

Syd118TSI - There is no burden of proof on me. I have never made a claim that having it on the right hand side is bad, OR that having it on the left hand side is ergonomic.

I have only said that I prefer it on the left hand side and that it is an advantage for me especially since I'm driving a manual.
So all my comments are about my personal experience and not unsubstantiated claims such as "its only ergonomic on the right" or "it's only ergonomic on the opposite side from the gearshifter" or "it's only on x side because x manufacturers are cheap".

So I'm deadly serious. Keep your comments about personal experience, or if you are going to make claims about ergonomics of manufacturers motives, provide references. This is the final warning before this thread is closed.

[Syd118TSI]

A little disappointing that you didn't respond to my questions, but that says it all really.

Deadly serious in a forum where there is a healthy discussion regarding something that people have differing opinions on seems a little excessive, but do what you will.

In my personal experience it's not a big concern as the Golf is DSG. If it was manual I would have more issues with it.

I'd have to say that I largely agree with Mountainman's opinion and can understand his frustrations.

[Corey_R]

And that's fine mate, having an opinion about which side you like it on is fine. But as I said, no one has come up with any studies or research or even a quote which says what the most ergonomic indicator design or position or what the manufacturers motives are.

People don't need to provide "proof" or their personal opinions, but if we took the example of another thread, if someone made claim that a particular car could do 0 to 100 in 2 seconds, everyone would ask for reference or dismiss their comments. If they kept on arguing about the 2 second claim without providing any proof, then a moderator would step in.

As for your last question in bold that you are disappointed I didn't answer, I've already shared my opinion on that and others have agreed with me, and many have disagreed, so I didn't think it was necessary to say it again.

[Tony_Mitchell_1983]

Keep your comments about personal experience, or if you are going to make claims about ergonomics of manufacturers motives, provide references. This is the final warning before this thread is closed.

My personal experience is that this thread is dumb. I claim VW are cheapskates for not switching over the indicators and the ergonomics (and for that matter the aesthetics) of the golf are TERRIBLE. I also claim I completely disagree with my previous claims. I also reference nothing and base this on BS. Everyone here are also poopy heads. Pleae close this thread NOW!

[ConR]

My personal experience is that this thread is dumb. I claim VW are cheapskates for not switching over the indicators and the ergonomics (and for that matter the aesthetics) of the golf are TERRIBLE. I also claim I completely disagree with my previous claims. I also reference nothing and base this on BS. Everyone here are also poopy heads. Pleae close this thread NOW!

+1. Can you actually close this thread coreying?

For the record, I don't have a poopy head.

[slipshot]

Could you answer this question - Why do you think VW (and other European cars) have not changed the side that the indicator is on for our market, despite the majority of cars in our market being the other way round?

I'll answer your question. To my mind, simply because they do not have to. If ADR said they had to be on the right hand side, they would of course change it. As ADR does not stipulate which side the indicators have to be on, they do not bother to change it from the UK spec market which requires them to be on the left. An additional cost that would be passed on to the consumer.

Given the majority of ADR's replicate European (and UK when rhd specific) design rules, it makes life easier for the manufacturer to ship rhd cars in the same spec they hit other rhd markets...