How Does Mark VI GTI Compare with Mark V

[guest12345]

That's not your opinion, it is fact! The MK6 was always an extensive facelift of the MKV. VW nor anyone else who knows what they're talking about has ever said anything differently

Well technically it is not "just a facelift", the only thing that is the same is the roof and chassis? correct me if i'm wrong, that is what i was told.

They're definitely out there. I picked up a 5 Door MKV Pirelli about 2 weeks ago with 7500ks on the clock. Just keep an eye on carsales and jump when you see the right thing.

yeah you told me, there is one in ACT, 9000km, 3 doors 39k

[Dubya]

I merely used the word facelift because the previous poster had. Why the need to be so sensitive and pedantic?! (Not you G-rig).

I'm neither.

I am just appalled that you write 4 or 5 more paragraphs to get around your claim that VW never said anything other than the Mark VI was a facelift. You seem to want to appear more knowledgeable and authoratative than you are. And I tend to pick you up because BS should not be left to stand unchallenged.

The MK6 was always an extensive facelift of the MKV. VW nor anyone else who knows what they're talking about has ever said anything differently

Complete BS. VW has said a lot of things quite different to that and has NEVER said the Mark VI was merely an extensive facelift. It is a whole new Mark.

But you don't let that stop you expressing a personal opinion as a fact that "VW NOR ANYONE ELSE WHO KNOWS [like you I suppose] has never said anything different . . . "

Neither I nor anyone else likes being bull****ted and then reading a long-winded cover up instead of a simple mea culpa: no, VW never said anything of the sort.

These opinion-based statements masquerading as fact diminish the value of the forum and more so when the person doesn't t own up when caught out and resorts to justifying their bull****.

[Dubya]

I merely used the word facelift because the previous poster had. Why the need to be so sensitive and pedantic?! (Not you G-rig).

Why do you have to try and bull**** me and every other member of this forum?

And I was not objecting to your use of the word "facelift". Substitute "minor update", "Mark 5.5" or anything else you can think of and your post is just as objectionable because you claim without qualification that VW HAS NEVER SAID ANYTHING DIFFERENT, when anyone who has read any VW PR has read a whole lot of completely different statements and absolutely nothing of the sort to suggest it is a minor update or the like.

Why make a statement that has no basis and is untrue?

I suggest you stop trying to weasel out of your BS and spare yourself further indignity.

At best you are careless.

[Corey_R]

Well technically it is not "just a facelift", the only thing that is the same is the roof and chassis? correct me if i'm wrong, that is what i was told.

There is lots more than just the roof and chassis. Whilst it's true that the only retained body panel from the MKV is the roof, there is much more retained under the skin - far too much to go into here.

[Dubya]

There is lots more than just the roof and chassis. Whilst it's true that the only retained body panel from the MKV is the roof, there is much more retained under the skin - far too much to go into here.

Of course, how convenient . . . so why don't you just itemise what has changed under the skin? You could start with:

New engine;
XDL
EXDL

And then move on to the interior:
Knee airbag
Larger display
etc. etc.

I think I started a list in my OP.

[Corey_R]

Most would agree that the changes between Mark VI and V GTIs are nowhere near as significant as those between previous generations.

I'm not going to have a discussion with someone who simply changes their tact at whim to simply continue personal attacks towards members of these forums.

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

I'm not going to have a discussion with someone who simply changes their tact at whim to simply continue personal attacks towards members of these forums.

What "new tact [sic]"?

Whatever the case, why not defend your honour instead of feigning that the discussion is beneath you?

Your integrity is still under question re your claim that VW only said it was a minor update or facelift.

So why not defend your reputation and name all of the things that are different and prove your point?

If you are right that very little has changed under the skin (there being "much more retained under the skin - far too much to go into here"), can we presume it would not take you very long at all to name all of the things that have changed?

I mean, how many major components are there under a GTI that you could not name them all let alone the ones that have changed or been left unchanged?

Suspension F+R;
Axles
Differential
Driveshaft
Brakes
Fuel tank
etc, etc . . .

I dunno, I am no expert on the mechanics of cars.

But could there really be "far too much to go into here" and so the task really as hard as you claim?

Whatever the case, it does not alter the truth of the statement you made about VW never saying anything other than that the Mark VI was a minor update or "facelift", a claim from which you have not resiled.

And how about sharing that table from ATO or Customs that proves your point about tariffs. Or can we safely presume it does not help your cause?

[G-rig]

Corey is never wrong, that's all you need to know .

Anyway mk5 & mk6 are basically the same thing in the scheme of things and they are both good.

[Corey_R]

@Klaus Hergersheimer
Again, I sorry for using the word 'facelift' that the poster I was replying to used. I should have been more CLEAR and corrected the poster.

I never said it was minor - Dubya did - although since you're rehashinig several of Dubya's issues with me from multiple threads both recent in and in the past, it seems you are possibly Dubya under another alias.

To quote myself:

The MK6 was always an extensive facelift of the MKV. VW nor anyone else who knows what they're talking about has ever said anything differently

No use of the word 'minor'. In fact, extensive is an antonym for minor.
I do concede that my sentence after that was worded 'carelessly', however, to flip the comment, where have VW said that this is not a 'facelift'?

To quote the Wikipedia, "Volkswagen based the latest Golf Mk6 on the existing PQ35 platform from the Golf Mk5."

As stated above, that is why vin details are many parts are shared. Even as Dubya noted in the very first post of this thread "Most would agree that the changes between Mark VI and V GTIs are nowhere near as significant as those between previous generations."

That is also why there was no new Audi A3 - a car built from the same platform, because the Golf MK6 is not a new car.

The next truly 'new' Golf model, the MK7 is due in Europe late next year (by recent motoring news articles) along with the related new Audi A3. Australia probably won't see these until 2012 though.

@G-rig - lol, I have been wrong many times. I've no issue admitting that. And if anyone here can show a valid reference which shows that the MK6 is not MKV based or does not sit on the PQ35 platform then I'll happily admit I'm wrong here too

[Axis]

yeah you told me, there is one in ACT, 9000km, 3 doors 39k

Haha - sorry - I should pay more attention to the author of posts!