Golf R -v- Golf GTI

**SilvrFoxX** · 15-04-2013, 05:46 AM

That caradvice review was the Crpiest piece of garbage I have ever read . At no point was there a comparison of any relative nature. Banging on about suspension mods also doesn't add wieght to your argument. Reality is you had to do this to compensate for the GTI being FWD and it skips all
over the place

The R isn't a wet handling dream and does understeer but I would still have it over a GTI for all the other upgrades and refinement over it's Little brother.

Iagree the R is set for a GT feel but you are never going to configure a Golf for a viseral driving experience, it is a golf! Honestly WJ you missed out by not getting the R, the GTI is a great ride and when the MK5 and 6 came out there was nothing in the same class hence all the accolades. However the landscape has changed and no amount of tweaking is going to stand the MK6 up against any of the new breed and for the money I would still get the R

**WhiteJames** · 16-04-2013, 10:21 PM

Much like the R32 coming before the Golf R, time may not judge the MK6 Golf R favourably in stock form. On the other hand ... the new Mark 7 Golf R has lots of goodies including lighter weight wheels, EA888 motor and the ability to slot a tow bar on the tail gate in between the quad pipes ... here's some pics of the new MK7 Golf R due out in early 2014:

New VW Golf R scooped | Autocar

I keep hearing the the MK7 Golf R will weigh in at 1200kg ... maybe the autocar.co.uk journo is hitting the incorrect buttons on the calculator?

Cheers
WJ

**Tom87** · 16-04-2013, 11:27 PM

towbar sounds fun. that means i'll be able to have my Golf R and a trailer with some Jet skis as well!

lol

Now if only they could do an R diesel...hahaha

**Allegiance** · 16-04-2013, 11:30 PM

I hope they keep the twin centre exhausts

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**Guy_H** · 17-04-2013, 10:41 AM

wow - 1200kg's - I hope that's not a typo in the Autocar article

**VWindahouse** · 17-04-2013, 10:56 AM

Just read a review in Motor Magazine iirc, and it said the MK7 GTI they drove was 1295kg so I don't think the R would be lighter unfortunately.

**richmurphy** · 17-04-2013, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by SilvrFoxX

Iagree the R is set for a GT feel but you are never going to configure a Golf for a viseral driving experience, it is a golf! Honestly WJ you missed out by not getting the R, the GTI is a great ride and when the MK5 and 6 came out there was nothing in the same class hence all the accolades. However the landscape has changed and no amount of tweaking is going to stand the MK6 up against any of the new breed and for the money I would still get the R

It totally depends on what is driving your decision and to say he missed out by not buying the R is rather harsh. I bought the GTI over the R because I couldn't negotiate below $55k for the R and I got the GTI for $37,500. I liked the R more but not THAT much more. Personally, I'd rather stretch to $65-$70k and get a used 911 but horses for courses.

I also looked at the Megane and Focus ST and would've bought the Ford if they were willing to negotiate. The Renault was insane fun but with resale on the wrong side of ridiculous. So at the end of the day the GTI is still a great value package and if we weren't all price driven to some extent then I dare say this forum would be a ghost town.

**MovieDude** · 17-04-2013, 11:36 AM

Like!.

**SilvrFoxX** · 17-04-2013, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by richmurphy

It totally depends on what is driving your decision and to say he missed out by not buying the R is rather harsh. I bought the GTI over the R because I couldn't negotiate below $55k for the R and I got the GTI for $37,500. I liked the R more but not THAT much more. Personally, I'd rather stretch to $65-$70k and get a used 911 but horses for courses.

I also looked at the Megane and Focus ST and would've bought the Ford if they were willing to negotiate. The Renault was insane fun but with resale on the wrong side of ridiculous. So at the end of the day the GTI is still a great value package and if we weren't all price driven to some extent then I dare say this forum would be a ghost town.

Very true, the dollar argument has been done to death, where it gets messy is the aguement that the R is comparable to the Gti and price is not reflective of difference. If you park the money conversation then everyone would agree that the R is better on every level. As this is not the case then there is all this rubbish about why the R is not as good. Bang for buck the GTI is number 1 almost bought one but it would have been a decision made with the head but the R is for the heart. So the thread has been largely built on this premis.

WJ has been banging on about his justification for not upgrading for years now, if you follow the story it really shows his latent desire to have an R . As I have always said from personal experience GTI drivers have a great, no fantastic car, just that an R driver will never sit and watch a GTI driver and wish he had bought one. Nothing more viseral in that feeling, everything else is moot

**parso_rex** · 17-04-2013, 07:02 PM

I'm Still waiting to see what the new R's/S3's internals are like. Hopefully they will still keep the same sort of over-engineering margin that the current R/S3 has with the GTI or I'm going to be very unhappy. This is a real decider with the current non VAG owners who are after looking at their vehicle replacment options in the performance car arena and I hope they(VAG) don't let this opportunity slip away.
Look at the plummeting sales figures of icons like the WRX and STI and EVO over the last few years, where have those sales gone ?, they've gone pretty much to the Golf R's and I do see this with some of our customers who I know personally from the Subaru scene. Its not completely a case of getting older and wanting a bit of 'class' either many are young guys that are seeing some real hard core options that just didn't exit a few years ago.