Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[Fab_R]

Well that would make the Golf R feel a lot less nimble and responsive as TC kicks in jerks the steering around rather than progressively allowing you to push the rear out and then bring it back in.

Spot on!

I have used ESP on, and ESP off on track days.....big difference on the track.
The ignition cut & ABS cutting in is pretty annoying to be honest!

[team_v]

Spot on!

I have used ESP on, and ESP off on track days.....big difference on the track.
The ignition cut & ABS cutting in is pretty annoying to be honest!

I noticed the same thing on mine (same 4mo system).
It is a lot more enjoyable and controlable when you turn off the ESP system as you are the one dictating what happens.

I don't like the car sensing the rear slipping then cutting throttle/braking and adjusting for me when i am already attemtping to do so which results in over-correcting.

Having siad that it was at a fun lap session rather than a full on sprint but the same principles apply.

[Fab_R]

I noticed the same thing on mine (same 4mo system).
It is a lot more enjoyable and controlable when you turn off the ESP system as you are the one dictating what happens.

I don't like the car sensing the rear slipping then cutting throttle/braking and adjusting for me when i am already attemtping to do so which results in over-correcting.

Having siad that it was at a fun lap session rather than a full on sprint but the same principles apply.

Exactly!

What i can notice is that switching ESP off on my 2010 is that it disables TC totally, and ESP is 60% off if that makes sense...Probably the same for yours team_v.

[team_v]

Exactly!

What i can notice is that switching ESP off on my 2010 is that it disables TC totally, and ESP is 60% off if that makes sense...Probably the same for yours team_v.

Yes that is the same for me.
I believe the MY12 Golf R could completely disable ESP but you would have to clarify that one.

It would be interesting to see how both cars behaved when you actually open them up to driver input without the car trying to "save" you all the time.
Imho the Golf R would come into it's own then but with all the safety features it does get a bit watered down.

[SilvrFoxX]

Well unjustified criticism and bullying of my Dub Dub is not acceptable . All this handling drivell is just so subjective and is not all car related. When I drove a GTI at the VW drive day I also had trouble making the apex when trying to drive like Fangio whilst having the driving skills of Sgt Schultz .

There is nothing wrong with your dak dak, except for the size of the rims and you have a dead cow interior. Other than that it is $10K better than a GTI and $20K better than a CW GTI

[Candyman]

SF, that was just mean, cut to the bone man - ouch

[SilvrFoxX]

Well unjustified criticism and bullying of my Dub Dub is not acceptable . All this handling drivell is just so subjective and is not all car related. When I drove a GTI at the VW drive day I also had trouble making the apex when trying to drive like Fangio whilst having the driving skills of Sgt Schultz .

ok Klinkmeister, I take it back, the rims are ok .. Happy now CM

[Candyman]

I was referring to your comment about dak dak's. You offended an entire nation with that comment

Still, vs a GTI, could make for a good thread.

[SilvrFoxX]

umm you have me at a disadvantage.. which nation ?

[Candyman]

The nation of Subaru owners dude