Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[AdamD]

Just to bump up the mix there is talk of a STI BRZ with 250HP and a better torque curve.

250hp is speculative. There's also the claim it won't be turbocharged. I'd seriously doubt the torque curve from a normally aspirated road-tuned 2.0l that puts out 250hp is going to make it more drivable as a daily - S2000 anyone? At any rate, it still won't hold a candle to a GTI or R in the driveability stakes.

[WhiteJames]

Toyota and Subaru are being smart about the FT86/BRZ twins in that they release a simple vehicle that easily passes ADR requirements & manufacturers OE stringent tests, and then release a whole heap of OEM performance aftermarket-products that required less R&D and bypass the ADR and OEM products, within reason, with great profit margins to boot ... watch out aftermarket performance tuners ... everybody is on the aftermarket accessory boat .... BMW M-Sport range, Volkswagen Driver Gear Accessories, FPV, Walkinshaw, now Toyota TRD and Subaru STI gear.

On a side note ... if the motortrend.com youtube.com channel ignition was not enough for you ... here's another recent release from head-2-head on the Golf R -v- EVO X:

Volkswagen Golf R vs Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR - Head 2 Head Episode 5 - YouTube

Edit: I sure that most reviews indicate that the battery is where a turbocharger would be placed on the FT86/BRZ twins. Supercharging for this vehicle is the way to go, with reports that Toyota is developing their own supercharger for the FT86 for release later on and aftermarket TRD gear. TRD will also have a mechanical diff rather than torque-bias factory diff as an option for drifters. Same deal with suspension, coilovers, thicker sway bars all from TRD as Toyota OEM.

Cheers.
WJ

[Candyman]

EVO vs R review

Irrelevant here - USA review. TC and ESP can be turned off in the local R from 2012 on

Anyway, rather buy an Atom for track and the R for a daily.

Re the Subaru, ugly, 2WD only, Subaru's famous cheap interior - manufacturer has already said not enough room in the engine bay for turbo or SC and that the engine is not suited for this type of modification. Fail. Ray would be better buying a crappy R.

[team_v]

EVO vs R review

Irrelevant here - USA review. TC and ESP can be turned off in the local R from 2012 on

Anyway, rather buy an Atom for track and the R for a daily.

Re the Subaru, ugly, 2WD only, Subaru's famous cheap interior - manufacturer has already said not enough room in the engine bay for turbo or SC. Fail.

I was under hte impression that turning off ESP completely will also turn off ABS or so I have read?????

In relation to the small engine bay size for the BRZ/86, how hard would it be to relocate the battery to the boot and then fit in a turbo.
The only real surprise is why hyundai didn't release the genesis here before these 2 get their nose in.

Also, RWD in alight weight vehicle is quite a potent mix (lotus anyone??) so don't discount is just becasue it isn't AWD.

[Candyman]

2At any rate, it still won't hold a candle to a GTI or R in the driveability stakes.

The Subaru doesn't come close to the GTI/R in any area. Isnt this a GTI vs R thread

The Megane and Subaru have more in common - ugly, rubbish interiors. promise much and deliver much less. Ray needs one of these two.

[Buller_Scott]

It has to make it to two years first

tell anyone on the outside that knows anything about MODERN vw's, that they are "more reliable" than MODERN renaults, and you'll get laughed at.

The Megane and Subaru have more in common - ugly, rubbish interiors. promise much and deliver much less.

the megane promises to be a good drive. every motoring article seems to agree. so do nurburgring lap times, actually, given that it's faster than the BMW 1 series M, lambo diablo sv, lexus isf, ferrari 355gtb etc etc.... no, there are no VW's anywhere on the list......

so what do you feel that you've been promised, that the megane cannot offer? you say that the megane has an ugly, rubbish interior - how? to me, it seemed pretty similar to the gti's/R interior, albeit without all the unnecessary crap that weighs cars down that matter NOUGHT when you're booting it in the hills, such as heated massage seats, leather, sunroof, intergalactic communications array so that you can confer with the klingons whilst driving your car, reverse cameras and dvd player.....

ive been car shopping very recently with a family member - it's GREAT to be enthusiastic about your purchase, and to fly the VW flag proudly... but the FACT is that no, the megane and gti/R interiors really, really dont contrast THAT much.

like i said, i love VW's because of what they offer in a complete package. i've been a VW fan for a while, and i will continue to be.

but let's be objective here.... you cant go along to a megane driver and belittle him for his decision. you might have a better overall package, but it doesnt matter if you're running whatever tune in your car - if the guy in the megane doesnt like your tone, he'll simply put his foot down, hook it in, and lose you at the next corner, showing you just WHY the megane is the fastest FWD that has ever been around the nurburgring. FACT.

[Candyman]

It was a dig at WJ/Ray

Don't take life so seriously

[WhiteJames]

BMW 1M Coupe appears to be over-rated as a driver's car ... Go to 10.00 min mark in the following MotorTrend.com.au Ignition yutube.com video and Randy tells it like it is:

Picking the 2011 Best Drivers Car - Part 2 - The Downshift Episode 5 - YouTube

Cheers.
WJ

[brad]

... watch out aftermarket performance tuners ... everybody is on the aftermarket accessory boat .... BMW M-Sport range, Volkswagen Driver Gear Accessories, FPV, Walkinshaw, now Toyota TRD and Subaru STI gear.

I think TRD & STI might have been on the boat a fair while now. Just because the Australian arms of the company chose to ignore their money spinning potential hardly makes them new players.

[MACCAA]

[QUOTE=team_v;796464]I was under hte impression that turning off ESP completely will also turn off ABS or so I have read?????


Nope.Full ESP off disables traction control and stability control only.
ABS remains unaffected.
Cheers
Len