Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[Sammy125TDi]

Yeah, very true! I've had "car friends" (Brock and HSV owners) who've owned a Superkart and tried for two years to get up to speed and just cannot... they just don't have what it takes to commit to the corners. A work colleage who builds his own kart chassis says that this is a surprisingly common occurrence for people to go out and buy a superkart (since they're about the same price as a good Jap bike ) and end up selling them shortly after due to this reason.



lol, yep, that's the conclusion to this thread adzy. Buy a 118TSI, and buy a superkart with your change and then go seriously fast where you're not going to lose your license...

I just think a superkart is the wrong tool for the job, they're angry angry ants in a BIIIIG playground.... If you want to be quick then you need to learn how to be quick without power/weight, formula VEE and Ford are very quick whilst still having car like dynamics.. oversteer, understeer, cornering, braking markers etc... if you can be quick in even a formula Vee you will be quick in anything... i can assure you they're still terrifically quick.

[WhiteJames]

The Sirocco does run a wider track -v- Golf. The rear end on the Sirocco comes from the wider Passat, rather than the Golf. Looking at the video from 7.05 min to 7.35 min, you're clearly able to see that on the two left handers the Sirocco transitions from understeer to oversteer quite abruptly on the first turn with all the weight up front and bugger all weight in the rear end -v- Golf R that shows to be better balanced front to rear with extra weight of rear diff carrying mild understeer right way througout the corners. The Sirocco would be a greater challenge/harder work to tread that fine line around the race track in attempting to clock consistent times - slow in fast out would be way to go as in the case of anything with lots of weight up front. The Golf R with AWD seems to be more idiot-proof. The EDL/XDS probably does limit the track time of the Sirocco R in the slower corners.

Reckon the best upgrade for the Golf R is a set of aftermarket H&R solid adjustable anti-roll bars. Help counter the body roll in corners shown in the video, make better use of the tyres and reduce the understeer inherent in the Golf R chassis.

I'd take the Golf R over the Sirocco R for the sake of practically. If I was going for a two door coupe, I'd take the Renault Megane RS250 over the Sirocco R putting driver appeal first and lap times a distance second.

Cheers
WJ

[dave_r]

So ladies and gents if you are after a GTI or Golf R go and grab yourself a superkart or formula ford instead ;D

LOL - Top Gear Top Tip!

I just think a superkart is the wrong tool for the job, they're angry angry ants in a BIIIIG playground....

I think this has all gone too far. I'm sure plenty of us have done the track type toy (had a Rotax 125 myself) and they're great but most of us usually end up at the same dilemma. Needing to find a single car that can do a bit of everything well because you don't have the time/space/money for multiple cars/registrations/expenses etc. To that end, the R and the GTI are the farken same really.

Reckon the best upgrade for the Golf R is a set of aftermarket H&R solid adjustable anti-roll bars. Help counter the body roll in corners shown in the video, make better use of the tyres and reduce the understeer inherent in the Golf R chassis.

This has come up multiple times but have you driven an R before/after fitting the bars?

[adzy]

LOL - Top Gear Top Tip!


I think this has all gone too far. I'm sure plenty of us have done the track type toy (had a Rotax 125 myself) and they're great but most of us usually end up at the same dilemma. Needing to find a single car that can do a bit of everything well because you don't have the time/space/money for multiple cars/registrations/expenses etc. To that end, the R and the GTI are the farken same really.

And thats just it, I am sure that many of us wouldn't be here if practicality and a car that can do it all was not what we required. If we didn't need the practicality part I for one would grab myself a 2 door coupe.... not a hatch.
Boot space and rear leg room can be a real bitch on a long trip with the family in a superkart

[Corey_R]

My point was that you can have the superkart for less than the difference between a 118TSI and a R!

Dave_R's point about storage of it etc is valid though.

[dave_r]

My point was that you can have the superkart for less than the difference between a 118TSI and a R!

Yeah I got that but like anything, the initial outlay is the easy part so its pointless to complare.

[Sammy125TDi]

Yeah I got that but like anything, the initial outlay is the easy part so its pointless to complare.

Lets put the ****s on the table... someone organise a night at WSID and we can compare

[Corey_R]

Meh to drags... boring! Organise a track day on the real track at Eastern Creek and I'll bring a Superkart (and then do a few laps when you guys aren't on the track so no one can run me over, lol)

[WhiteJames]

Could be worse.

Motor Trend reckon that the USA Golf R will come with higher ride height & softer springs/dampers compared to the Euro version Golf R. See Link:

YouTube - motortrend's Channel

Cheers
WJ

[Corey_R]

Well, the R32 had different suspension in the USA, as do many of their cars, so that's not exactly a surprise.