Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[gh172]

Obviously manual times for the R...
But 0 to 100 in 6.6 for a GTI would appear to indicate DSG. Great work if that was a stock GTI manual!

You are correct , manual R and DSG GTI.

[Corey_R]

Hehehe... well, you know the issues with the manual gearbox! Not only can no one possibly shift as quick as a DSG (even via flat shifting), but the Golf manual's need a shift into 3rd to reach 100km/h.

[sabloke]

So do many other cars. Mine for example needs a shift into 3rd before it hits the rev limiter at 97 km/h. Doh!

[parso_rex]

Hehehe... well, you know the issues with the manual gearbox! Not only can no one possibly shift as quick as a DSG (even via flat shifting), but the Golf manual's need a shift into 3rd to reach 100km/h.

Hmm what speed can the manuals hit in second at the stock redline ?

[hooba]

80-120 was 4.1 Vs 4.3 and 14.4 Vs 14.8 for the 1/4 mile.

The closeness of the 80-120 times (where there is no gear change) were a real surprise, seat of the pants the R felt much stronger.

[Corey_R]

Hmm what speed can the manuals hit in second at the stock redline ?

I believe it's about 97km/h too. (I haven't tried personally as I don't have access to a manual).

The closeness of the 80-120 times (where there is no gear change) were a real surprise, seat of the pants the R felt much stronger.

The R delivers power differently, but the power difference between the two in Australia isn't that great, especially given the weight difference and additional drive train losses.

[MkVIGTI]

But it's AWD...

We'll let the results decide.
If it's on the podium, it's an R with a GTI sign.
If it doesn't make the podium, it's a R wannabe (GTI with AWD conversion)

LOL, isn't that the same thing anyways?

[sabloke]

The R delivers power differently, but the power difference between the two in Australia isn't that great, especially given the weight difference and additional drive train losses.

Taking drive train losses into account, the R has 151 kW atw to GTI's 133 kW atw while being 120 kg heavier. The results are not that surprising then.

[Lima]

Taking drive train losses into account, the R has 151 kW atw to GTI's 133 kW atw while being 120 kg heavier. The results are not that surprising then.

Sounds like the Mk6 has gone backwards then, our stock Mk5 has 140kW atw.

[AdamD]

Not stirring the pot? Really. A guy just gave his findings.. and like every passive aggressive person on here.. he gets questioned. And by who? You?

I didn't for a moment question him. Didn't state his mates were wrong; wouldn't dare insinuate that. Just pointed out that the one other guy (other than himself) who'd bought a Golf bought a GTI, and provided non-monetary reasons for choosing it. I'm not stirring, I'm continuing the conversation.

Anyone in their right mind would take an R over any lesser model if they could afford it.

I could, and I didn't. To be fair the R wasn't released when I ordered, but if I had the decision over, I'd make the same call. May well go with an R for MkVII though. What I dislike about the R - or, rather, why I find it less enjoyable than the GTI - is that it feels quite a bit laggier at low speeds and in traffic, whereas I prefer the GTI's low-rpm urge and enthusiasm, which is a real point of difference for me, for 90% of the driving I do - in metro areas.

And what makes up a big part of enjoyment of a car is different to so many people.

Very true. And yet apparently anyone who chooses a GTI but can afford an R is out of their mind. Sigh.