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    Quote Originally Posted by benjmin View Post
    Dave....trust me the wait will be worth it! i have had my R for 2 days now (5 door dsg,leather,satnav & 19' wheels) and done about 200kms.
    ALL I CAN SAY IS WOW!!!!!
    As others have said, the dsg in auto mode is quick to slip into 6th and just strolls along, but put it in sports or manually shift and this thing just rips and goes.
    What really puts the icing on the cake is that wonderfull exhuast note.
    I have heard others go on about the R32s sound but boy does the Rs exhuast note sound so so good.
    Anyway lets hope you get your ride soon
    Thats awesome. I am stilll hanging out for a long time on forums, just jabbering on about the car and not actually enjoying one!! You are a lucky man!! PICS!!
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    What context? Grip Levels? Golf R -v- Gofl GTI

    Perhaps the Golf R –v- Golf GTI review should be put within a certain context. The best way to do this is to rehash my final comments to Gerald Slaven Volkswagen, Canberra - Sales Manager Phil Fairhall:


    “Phil. I’m not concerned with the extra speed or the raw acceleration of the new Golf R. It would not concern me if the Golf R had the same motor as the GTI and was half a second slower to 100kph. I like this vehicle for its new generation AWD feeling and its fine chassis balance front to rear making for a very fluid handling & drive experience. It also rides a lot better than I expected. Not concerned with features like launch control as I’d never use them. Really enjoyed the more balance chassis feeling over the front heavy Golf GTI, which makes a tourist drive a greater pleasure.”
    Basically looking for a vehicle with performance consummate with a Ford XR6 or Holden SV6 six cylinder with the fuel economy similar to a Toyota Corolla. Not considering any performance tuning on the ECU or motor and certainly not looking to be the fastest to 100kph. The vehicle will be used for a combination of some city use, and frequent longer distance trips from Sydney to Canberra & Sydney to Queensland with a combination of freeway – highway – B-grade roadway – tourist - routes. Not interested in doing any track days or heading out to the drag strip.


    My preference for the low end punch & usability of the Mark 6 GTI - Tiguan - EA888 motor mated to the AWD drive train & chassis balance of the Golf R is a clear indication of the strengths and weaknesses of each vehicle within the above context. In other words: I rate them as about even. Not looking to race this vehicle, but rather drive the vehicle. Perhaps this has been overlooked by readers of this review – faster is not necessarily better when it comes to my purchase decision – driveability – handling – ride - is certainly an important factor that I place a great weight on when choosing a new vehicle. Outright acceleration is only one aspect of the total drive experience.


    The comments made about the Volkswagen Tiguan 125TSI are valid in that the Tiguan is the best value AWD Volkswagen on the market due to: its AWD system – EA888 motor – price. There will also be another VAG competitor with this type of drive-train combination in early 2012; albeit in a hatchback variant: The Audi A3 Quattro (AWD).


    The Audi should not have a KO4 turbo or associated lag that comes with a larger turbo, which will aid usability & driveability. No big brakes either – these are not likely to be missed as my old MKV GTI vehicle’s brake pads were only half done prior to sale at 3.5 years / 47,000km. Not missing the EA113 belt driven motor with the cam follower & fuel metering issues - EA113 motor is likely to be seen for the last time in the Golf R prior to being put to rest ... period. The Audi A3 Quattro AWD will offer the same or a similar chassis balance to the Golf R – making for a nice fluid drive and high grip levels. Alternatively: Not sure I’d buy an Audi as my workmates would expect to me shout at the pub all the time – it’s that brand image thing I guess.


    Grip Levels:


    Having covered 3,500km in 3.5 weeks in the new Mark 6 Golf GTI with 95% of driving on highway – freeway – B-grade country roadways – tourist routes – mountain climbs – in all types of weather conditions, not once have I seen the stability ESC light flash up on the dash display. Even on the tight damp 15kph corners ascending up the Macquarie Pass of Kangaroo Valley, NSW. Of course, running in the GTI, I have not gone out of my way to provoke wheel slip – but I have driven off the beaten track in damp / wet / foggy conditions with warning signs indicating ‘caution – black ice on roadway’. Some of the B-grade mountain passes had 20kph corners with 100kph speed limits coupled with damp roadway conditions.


    In contrast: my old Mark V GTI with 5-6K spent on improving the suspension & wheel/tyre combination to provide the best possible grip that the MKV GTI could deliver (upgraded suspension is a good form of traction control) on std power. The old MKV GTI would have had ESC cutting in countless times over these drives in these types of conditions. The Mark 6 GTI is way superior in this regard. The addition of the EDL (slow-speed) and XDS (higher speeds) electronic differential has put the Mark 6 GTI into another league over the old Mark 5 GTI for public roadway driving, esp. when the weather turns sour. The driver can feel the electronic EDL/XDS diff working its magic more so in the dry in tight corners & the electronic diff wizardry does not eliminate the FWD bum-dragger feel of the Golf GTI. This is important to note this when considering my earlier remarks when I say that grip levels between the Mark 6 GTI and Golf R for public roadway use are much closer than they were for the older MKV GTI and Golf R32 models. In terms of driveline feel & chassis balance: the Golf R wins hands down.


    Well informed debate is encouraged.


    Cheers
    WJ
    Last edited by WhiteJames; 20-06-2010 at 02:22 PM.

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    The Golf R -v- Golf GTI horsepower debate + 19" Wheels

    I’ll go out on a limb and say that purchasing a Golf R purely for enhanced grip levels, appears, from this short test drive, to be a fool’s paradise. You’d want the Golf R primarily for it better balanced chassis and not its revvy motor or outright acceleration.

    I think the statement below by Edra elaborates on the statement I made above about wanting the Golf R for its improved chassis balance:

    ... was considering buying a Golf R yesterday because i felt it might let me feel more physics and stuff than my current golf at track days but whilst sitting at Barloworld being jerked around by the sales staff for 4 1\2 hours, I remembered back to a dyno day recently and recall some stage 2+ 8p Audi s3's making around 176 kw at the wheels, with : full turbo back exhaust, Autotech fuel pump, intake, FMIC. and a few other bits n pieces and the appropriate tune for all the above. Which is a fair whack of power at the fly wheel considering power loss through the haldex. pretty good for a small turbo like a k04.


    At the same dyno day i saw a guys Pirelli and another mk 5 Gti which i had'nt seen before pull out 198 kw and 208 kw at the wheels....... WTF.. given they both weigh over 120 kg less than the R and have over 25 KW at the wheels more than the R, correct me if i'm wrong but theyre going to suck the doors off my R at phillip island due to power to weight ratio and power loss through drivetrain, even if i go through the whole, intake, exhaust, fuel, tune blah.Obviously with AWD ill get off the start line quickly but what about the mid corner battle. for $69,800 Au out the door is the R going to be competitive as a track car ?against the likes of these others, or is it just a waste of money.? That guys pirelli with 198 kw at the wheels, seriously thats more power at the wheels than a b7 Audi RS4, much more. and a power to weight ratio that destroys it.

    There's no doubting its a sexy car sitting on black 19s, it looks dead sexy, but is it going to be a track weapon. I really like the black 19s on the Golf R but i would've thought VW made it so they did'nt buffet and scrape during slightly vigorous cornering, these are after all the official 19s for the car, or is it possible that the dealer being new to all this had neglected to set the car up correctly to have the 19 s over the 18s before sending it out for numerous test drive's ?does anyone else's Golf R have a 19s that rub during cornering ?
    In respect to the 19” Golf R 235mm tyres rubbing on the guards. The vehicle I checked was not a vehicle that I test drove from Gerald Slaven Volkswagen, Camberra. This vehicle from another dealership appeared to be brand spanking new having not turned a wheel. The missing top inner front fender screws may of been discarded by Volkswagen from the factory as any rubbing on a used vehicle usually leaves some rubber residue. The tyre rubbing against the fender may also occur against the metal tab that holds the screw.

    Cheers
    WJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjmin View Post
    Dave....trust me the wait will be worth it! i have had my R for 2 days now (5 door dsg,leather,satnav & 19' wheels) and done about 200kms.
    ALL I CAN SAY IS WOW!!!!!
    As others have said, the dsg in auto mode is quick to slip into 6th and just strolls along, but put it in sports or manually shift and this thing just rips and goes.
    What really puts the icing on the cake is that wonderfull exhuast note.
    I have heard others go on about the R32s sound but boy does the Rs exhuast note sound so so good.
    Anyway lets hope you get your ride soon
    All you need is a Stg 1 tune and it'll be perfect. [disclaimer for the pedants amongst us : nothing is ever perfect - it is just a figure of speech]
    Last edited by triode12; 21-06-2010 at 11:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triode12 View Post
    All you need is a Stg 1 tune and it'll be perfect. [disclaimer for the pedants amongst us : nothing is ever perfect - it is just a figure of speech]
    lol @ the disclaimer

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    I'v been intrigued about this 19" wheel discussion (as this is what I've ordered), so whilst I was at the dealer last week looking over the R I noticed the R's fitted with 19" wheels have a plastic protector on the forward section of the front guard and also on the rear guard! I could not see any screws and things but the protector is not on the 18" variety! Interesting I thought

    You can just make it out in this pic

    WLF127

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    Are they guard protectors or "wing extensions" so that there are no questions about ADR compliance in relation to wheel protrusion?

    The 18" wheels on the MKV GTI required "wing extensions" too, because they were wider than the standard wheels (which were 7.5" wide).

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    If I was getting an R i think i'd get the 18" wheels for the silver headlights, look pretty classy with the blue (black looks good too but a bit cheap). Not sure if that protector looks that good, and takes up a couple of mm where it may not scrub anyway. I'm sure you could take it off, but at least it's better than the MK5 GTI's with still guards rolled out the wrong way if you chose the 18" Karthoums. Not really a fan of the R wheels either.

    Anyone know what offset the 19" wheels are (and 18" for that matter; are they the same as the MK5 ET50 or 51?)
    Last edited by G-rig; 21-06-2010 at 07:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coreying View Post
    Are they guard protectors or "wing extensions" so that there are no questions about ADR compliance in relation to wheel protrusion?

    The 18" wheels on the MKV GTI required "wing extensions" too, because they were wider than the standard wheels (which were 7.5" wide).
    Interesting...the Pirelli has 18" wheels but don't come with the wing extensions.

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