Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[REXman]

I've read this somewhere too (maybe here) Can someone clarify this? I know my current AWD system intimately (Mazda On Demand) and the maximum split is 50/50 but with traction control off it can become very tail happy and Fun

I'm becoming more and more excited about my R test drive on Wednesday!

LOL Cant type. yeah definitely try and take it somewhere where you are not stuck in traffic. try and hit a freeway, put the window down a little.. all you can hear is the exhaust burble and whistle.. its beautiful.. And I believe a single chip/flash = 239KW and 435nm of torque!! AWD you should get that down to the ground too.

As I have mentioned before, the one I drove was this good with 200km's oon it.. and you cant compare that to a nicely worn in motor with its first service behind its belt..

[flappa]

i dont think anyone was having a go a you, flaps. just commenting based on your signature. you didnt really stipulate that if you got a different model golf that you would increase your options to go with it.

The spec you have in your sig, as a GTI 5 door, on the road in the ACT would be $51,516.90. As an R 5 door would be $57,606.90. That's a $6,090.00 or 10.57% difference. So lets not go around making some extravagant claims which are highly unbalanced

Yeah, well it looks pretty clear to me.

So rather then asking if it was like for like (I'm aware 18's & Bi-Xenon are standard) HE made the sweeping statement that I had no idea. Its OK Corey, you can be the defender of the faith, but you really need to open the other eye from time to time.

By the way, I'd have an "R" tomorrow but my budget doesn't run to $70k.

[REXman]

Yeah, well it looks pretty clear to me.

So rather then asking if it was like for like (I'm aware 18's & Bi-Xenon are standard) HE made the sweeping statement that I had no idea. Its OK Corey, you can be the defender of the faith, but you really need to open the other eye from time to time.

By the way, I'd have an "R" tomorrow but my budget doesn't run to $70k.

I am not sure If we are all crazy, but from my perspective, when one is considering both a GTI and an R and there respective prices, one would be quite normal to assume, that you are pricing them with the same options. "apples and apples"/ "oranges and oranges" so to speak.

You can quite easily price a GTI into the 60K's but I dont hear you complaining about that.

And how can you compare the price of a GTI with xenons and 18's etc with an R and RECARO's ++++. Its absurd to think we wouldnt assume you were transferring more options to the other perspective car.

I believe you my friend are talking "apples and oranges" where the fruit basket seems to be mixed.

If you can get into the 50's, you can afford an R, with 19's.

Thanks

[Corey_R]

However some might recall the comparison of the R32 vs the 135 on Top Gear with Jeremy clarkson, and the R32 came out in front according to Jeremy.

Except I'm sure it was the R32 vs 130i (normally aspirated hatchback), and not the 135i (turbocharged coupe).

By the way, I'd have an "R" tomorrow but my budget doesn't run to $70k.

Actually, it was you who made the sweeping statement with "$20k extra for a car that NO WAY will I get to use the full potential on". You didn't clarify what the options were and for anyone that hadn't read the other thread with pricing, your comment seemed a bit misleading. I already had deduced that you were optioning up the R and not the GTI, but I came in to clarify for all those people who maybe hadn't looked at the other thread that with your SPECIFIC options, the price is less than a third that. Can someone please explain to me how being specific in your statements is all of a sudden a sweeping statement?

[Sharkie]

Hey I have had my share of sporty cars. Not quite as sporty as the tiguan though, LMAO.

MY99, MY03, MY08, MY09 WRX's. 425hp Skyline R33, VY SS UTE and a 325CI coupe. All new except the Skyline. And now a GOLF R. I have a descent idea. And one thing I have learnt after owning all these cars?
Including an 11 sec Skyline?

A tiguan is not a sports car for gods sake. ..... R. So If you think the hatch BMW is the one for you, go for it. Its definitely a different league, not sure which one though. Maybe the moolah, but thats it. But as I am sure there are many out there, where what you drive is not only what you can afford(+/-).

Actually I'm LMAO at you my friend .... not only did you display ignorance about what a 135i actually is .... you should spend some time into looking at what cars I have actually had .... including 3 BMW Ms (CIs are hairdresser cars)....... and I never said the Tiguan is a sports car .... it is my wife's AWD hatch that just happens to outperform stock Rs ..... and stock WRXs ..... easily ....

BTW a 135i is a 3.0 twin turbo coupe .... the 130i is a hatch ....

[REXman]

Actually I'm LMAO at you my friend .... not only did you display ignorance about what a 135i actually is .... you should spend some time into looking at what cars I have actually had .... including 3 BMW Ms (CIs are hairdresser cars)....... and I never said the Tiguan is a sports car .... it is my wife's AWD hatch that just happens to outperform stock Rs ..... and stock WRXs ..... easily ....

BTW a 135i is a 3.0 twin turbo coupe .... the 130i is a hatch ....

Not sure what your LMAO at? I said I had an 11 sec SKYLINE as well back in the day, which would chop any of your M3's that you owned, unless ofcourse you supercharged them. Which you may have.

As for a TIGUAN chopping a WRX and/or an R.. You are an idiot and makes me wonder if you have as much sense as anything else. Gee'z this forum is getting more and more Interesting! First apparently the GTI is better than the R, now the TIGUAN is better than a GTI/R and whatever else you want to add.

And can blow a WRX!! LMFAO. And as someone who is calling a 325CI a hairdresser car, you calling a 1 series BMW what exactly? And yes its a coupe, but its a stumpy one at that.

[giddleberry]

Wow this thread sure is off topic now...

[REXman]

I still cant believe you just said that a TIGUAN outperfoms a WRX and an R. I will never read anything you say again with any sort of confidence.

Cheers. Lets hope you never have to line me up in the TIGUAN.

Agreed, off topic and Im happy to leave at that.

[richo]

pricing just announced

World's fastest Golf blasts into Australia

World's fastest Golf blasts into Australia
words - Joshua Dowling
New generation Golf R is most powerful VW hatchback of all time

Volkswagen has delivered a major blow to the hot hatch market -- the fastest Golf ever built has come in $7000 cheaper than the model it replaces.

The starting price of $48,490 for the Golf R (it used to be $55,490 when it was the V6-powered Golf R32) is likely to leave GTI fans with a huge dilemma, given that it is only $7000 more than a regular GTI.

This amounts to a difference in lease payments of about $20 a week.

"We wanted to make a big statement with this car," says Volkswagen Australia's product marketing manager Vladin Dimic.

"The R32 has proven a very popular model in Australia so we have been able to negotiate with the factory on the price."

Just 200 of the Mark IV R32 Golf introduced in Australia in 2004 were sold as a limited edition batch.

But the Mark V R32 was much more popular, selling 2041 over the past four years since it was introduced in Australia in 2006.

The new model has more power and yet uses less fuel. The official 0 to 100km/h time is 5.9 seconds. The previous V6 model stopped the clocks in 6.5 seconds. Consumption has also been slashed, from 10.9L/100km to 8.7L/100km.

The fastest Golf ever built also has the biggest brakes ever fitted to VW's most popular hatchback: 345mm diameter front discs are only 5mm smaller than the front discs on the 2.5-tonne R50 Touareg performance 4WD. In this guise the Golf weighs 1500kg.

As before, the hottest Golf is available as a three-door and five-door. And both models are available with six-speed manual or six-speed DSG.

Volkswagen says 82 per cent of R32 Golfs were equipped with DSG and five-door models accounted for 77 per cent of R32 sales.

Deliveries will begin immediately and Volkswagen says it is already holding a healthy order book -- and that was before the price was announced.

"We have good supply but we expect there will be an increase in showroom traffic now the price has been announced," says Volkswagen Australia spokesman Karl Gehling.


New Golf R prices

Three-door six-speed manual $48,490
Three-door six-speed DSG $50,990
Five-door six-speed manual $49,990
Five-door six-speed DSG $52,490


How the hottest Golf has come of age

2004 Mk IV Golf R32
Price: From $63,000
Engine: 3.2-litre V6
Drivetrain: All-wheel-drive
Power: 177kW
Torque: 320Nm
0 to 100km/h: 6.6 seconds
Consumption: 11.6L/100km

2006 Mk V Golf R32
Price: From $55,490
Engine: 3.2-litre V6
Drivetrain: All-wheel-drive
Power: 184kW
Torque: 320Nm
0 to 100km/h: 6.5 seconds
Consumption: 10.9 L/100km

2010 Mk VI Golf R
Price: From $48,490
Engine: 2.0-litre turbo
Drivetrain: All-wheel-drive
Power: 188kW at 6000rpm
Torque: 330Nm at 2400 to 5200rpm
0 to 100km/h: 5.5 seconds
Consumption: 8.7L/100km

[flappa]

[QUOTE="Coreying"][Actually, it was you who made the sweeping statement with "$20k extra for a car that NO WAY will I get to use the full potential on". You didn't clarify what the options were and for anyone that hadn't read the other thread with pricing, your comment seemed a bit misleading. I already had deduced that you were optioning up the R and not the GTI, but I came in to clarify for all those people who maybe hadn't looked at the other thread that with your SPECIFIC options, the price is less than a third that. Can someone please explain to me how being specific in your statements is all of a sudden a sweeping statement?
/QUOTE]

Yep, fair enough. I thought my post was accurate for what I was trying to say. Obviously not. My apologies for that.

I wasn't trying to compare apples with apples, it was always the options available on the GTI and the options available on the R.

Anyway the message gets confused in the electronic forum.