Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[G-rig]

Johno is an R32 owner and he said would buy the R if he could afford one right now.

Most people would want one. New stuff is good too.

[alebonau]

Most people would want one. New stuff is good too.

I dont know, golf gti owner here, and a great write up from white James at the start of the thread. Over the gti main attraction would be the greater traction on take off with four wheel drive. On the gti it's just too easy to axle tramp especially in the damp. The greater lag of the R James describes would bug the he'll out of me. A lot of dollars too for the R for what is basically a vw golf after all.

[flappa]

WTF did that come from ??

Geez make a comment, and that is ALL it was . . . a comment , and I'm about to be hung . . .FFS its like a preschool here at times.

What I said was . . . The options available on the GTI , AT THE TIME , I put my order in that I felt I wanted, didn't include Sunroof, leather, Satnav sensors etc meant it was approx $50k , yes, after some discount.

The R , I would order, starting at approx $57k on road (5dr DSG), would include ACC, 19 inch wheels, and those sport seats and I WOULD include Satnav if I'm spending that much, comes to about $70k.

I cant afford to spend $70k this time, HOPEFULLY, next time.

Its was NOT a comment on GTI v R it was purely a comment on the options available for the R that take my fancy.

AND , YES , it IS different to what I optioned for the GTI, go figure.

[lincs]

WTF did that come from ??

Geez make a comment, and that is ALL it was . . . a comment , and I'm about to be hung . . .FFS its like a preschool here at times.

What I said was . . . The options available on the GTI , AT THE TIME , I put my order in that I felt I wanted, didn't include Sunroof, leather, Satnav sensors etc meant it was approx $50k , yes, after some discount.

The R , I would order, starting at approx $57k on road (5dr DSG), would include ACC, 19 inch wheels, and those sport seats and I WOULD include Satnav if I'm spending that much, comes to about $70k.

I cant afford to spend $70k this time, HOPEFULLY, next time.

Its was NOT a comment on GTI v R it was purely a comment on the options available for the R that take my fancy.

AND , YES , it IS different to what I optioned for the GTI, go figure.

i dont think anyone was having a go a you, flaps. just commenting based on your signature. you didnt really stipulate that if you got a different model golf that you would increase your options to go with it.

[REXman]

I think you're missing the point I'm trying to make. I am able to buy either a GTI or an optioned R and have driven both. Neither of them are THAT special (in the same way that a 135i is) to drive and to be honest not much more special than our Tiguan.

And I have had I suspect many more "sporty" cars than you so I am able to make a judgement call on that .....

SO in the spirit of this thread .... R v GTI .... its R all the way .... or for me R > Tig > GTI ..... don't knock what you don't know until you've tried it ....

And, yes, WJs initial write up is a bit biased, but then so is anybody else here trying to justify a position, including me.

Hey I have had my share of sporty cars. Not quite as sporty as the tiguan though, LMAO.

MY99, MY03, MY08, MY09 WRX's. 425hp Skyline R33, VY SS UTE and a 325CI coupe. All new except the Skyline. And now a GOLF R. I have a descent idea. And one thing I have learnt after owning all these cars?
Including an 11 sec Skyline?

A tiguan is not a sports car for gods sake. And does not compare to a GTI. So is a CX-7 (mazda turbo) a sports car? That has grunt. Its 4WD?? I guess it would be in your eyes.. just none of the reading publications I buy would agree with you.

And yes, WJ was being extremely biased. I enjoy reading his reviews as I said, very interesting. But that last one, as someone else said, more about why he thinks the GTI is better than the R as opposed to the reality.

And I have the paper to buy an 135, and I dont see them as in the same league as the R.

My 325CI I bought back in 2002, was $99600 on road (with all the options). I dont see that as a step up in drive to my R thats coming. So I sure as hell wouldnt see a 1 series as being better either. As for the 3 series coupe, It handles great, and its on a 3 series platform. So what? Its still no R. So If you think the hatch BMW is the one for you, go for it. Its definitely a different league, not sure which one though. Maybe the moolah, but thats it. But as I am sure there are many out there, where what you drive is not only what you can afford(+/-).

[REXman]

Thanks for the post and clarification WJ. Just to clarify further though.
You could actually FEEL the different in fuel delivery DURING your test drive? Or you were just throwing that in there because you had read that above service article?

Have to ackowledge that one LMAO

[REXman]

And the new R, can actually send up to maximum of ALL THE TORQUE to the rear wheels. More than the STI OR EVO can (60/40 and 85/15, I believe..)

[REXman]

I would use the argument against a WRX vs a STI, Ralliart vs a EVO etc etc.

However some might recall the comparison of the R32 vs the 135 on Top Gear with Jeremy clarkson, and the R32 came out in front according to Jeremy.

It all comes down to what you want.

Exactly.. there you go.

[shakespeare]

And the new R, can actually send up to maximum of ALL THE TORQUE to the rear wheels. More than the STI OR EVO can (60/40 and 85/15, I believe..)

I've read this somewhere too (maybe here) Can someone clarify this? I know my current AWD system intimately (Mazda On Demand) and the maximum split is 50/50 but with traction control off it can become very tail happy and Fun

I'm becoming more and more excited about my R test drive on Wednesday!

[REXman]

By the time you wait another 5 months, you'll then start asking yourself whether you should wait for a Mk7.

BTW, does the R have smaller external mirrors than the GTI?

I dont think so, they are coloured black though, instead of the body colour.