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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkie View Post

    Does not change the fact that in this case the R is by far the better car overall, and the GTI the best value at $40K ....

    if you're spending $60K+ on a GTI no amount of justifaction will help as come resale time a $60K R will be worth so much more ...
    Personally I think from 40 to 50K the GTI is in its sweet spot. Once you go beyond that 50K price bracket on a GTI you should really be looking at the R or something else entirely.

    Which is also the reason why my GTI will set me back about 50k once the bluetooth and tinting are done it, plus all the options I got.

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    I finally got to drive the R today, a nice new manual with less than 200kms on the clock. My initial impression as I gently drove away was that the interior has the same quality feel as the GTI, but is more muted and restrained. The interior difference really comes down to personal tastes.

    Just as I'm starting to ponder whether it will be hard to tell the difference between the R and the GTI, an opportunity arises to stretch it legs. The first time you charge hard you know this is no GTI, and the sensation of the R coming on boost leaves you wondering whether someone has just yelled out "Punch it Chewie!". The last car that gave me the exact same sensation was a 135i.

    On the subject of lag, yes it does feel like it has more lag than the GTI, but then again the R also comes along like a steam train. I found that taking off gently and driving it sedately, I had to be conscious of prodding the throttle a little bit more so as not to stall, however I think anybody who complains about lag down low being a issue has either been spoilt by diesels or by VW doing such a great job with its petrol engines. Anybody used to driving a modern Japanese four cylinder engine (especially Honda drivers) will find the bottom end of the R more than acceptable, to the point that I frequently found myself up shifting early on the R because there was enough grunt there from around 2200 rpm onwards.

    Not only does it shove you back into the seat (leather in this case, very similar in feel to the leather GTI), but it has a beautiful growl from the engine that I just wanted to keep listening to. I'm not sure whether the R has the speaker, but the sound is addictive. Wind the window down and you'll also get treated to a classy turbo whistle.

    Whilst the engine and drive train seem beautifully smooth, I did notice some drive train vibration coming through the clutch pedal and the centre console. Nothing of concern, and if anything it's in keeping with the personality of the beast.

    The brakes on it felt very meaty and secure, and the car incredibly stable under hard braking. I take the car hard into my favourite corner, a tight 2nd gear 90 degree left hander that is wickedly off camber, sight the apex and hit it. Here the R catches me unaware, I was expecting mild understeer similar to the GTI which does such a great job at hiding the fact its FWD.

    Suddenly the R, now right in the middle of its 2nd gear powerband and leaning hard on its outside tyres, produces this beautifully telegraphed oversteer dance. Even though I had left the electronic nannies on, it gave me just enough tail out to let me use a dab of opposite lock and leave me dreaming about whether I've got a future in the WRC. This thing is a proper AWD, and will conquer sales from the STI crowd.

    Aside from the obvious AWD addition, mechanically the R feels like a GTI thats spent more time in the gym except for the gearbox which felt the same as the GTI one. On the GTIs that I've driven I've seen the oil temp rise has high as 109 degrees, on the R which was treated far more firmly, the highest I saw was 96 degrees. That and the fact that the temperatures seemed to drop far quicker than the GTIs leads me to believe that the R is running a far more serious cooling package.

    I think the R is a better mouse trap, however for some people they might find it a bit too extreme. The R I drove already had deep scratches in its chin spoiler, and its raw personality that begs to be driven hard may tire some people who'll use it as a daily driver. However, the noise, the little things like those dancing blue needles, and the tail out handling at the extreme make this a very, very special car.

    Is the R better than the GTI? IMHO yes, of that there is no doubt. Should GTI owners be concerned that they've bought the wrong car? That all depends on what $10K is worth to you, and whether you value all out blistering performance.

    Me, I'm happy with my GTI, its a great car that will suit me perfectly, and I'm comfortable with the fact that its not the mightiest Golf in the jungle. The only time I think I will question why the 10 grand is still in my bank account will be when I go to my favourite corner and exit it without the tail powersliding out.
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    I agonised over this question for weeks. Do I put the money down for a new GTI or wait for the R to come ?

    Haven't yet seen one in the flesh (have to go and see Phillip at Slaven), but even at this late stage I certainly could be persuaded to change. I like the very idea of the R and I think they look fabulous.
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    This kind of sums it up:

    Quote Originally Posted by sharkablue View Post
    Personally I think from 40 to 50K the GTI is in its sweet spot. Once you go beyond that 50K price bracket on a GTI you should really be looking at the R or something else entirely.
    Mine was under 50k but a few k but also depends how much you want to spend. Can always get one next time when you can strike a better deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooba View Post
    On the GTIs that I've driven I've seen the oil temp rise has high as 109 degrees, on the R which was treated far more firmly, the highest I saw was 96 degrees. That and the fact that the temperatures seemed to drop far quicker than the GTIs leads me to believe that the R is running a far more serious cooling package.
    It sure does. When people do up their Golf GTI's, one of the common intercooler upgrades was to use the Audi S3's intercooler - which is the same one used in the R.

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    I just figured it out.

    The GTI I'm buying with ALL the options that were available that I wanted, cost me say $50k. The R with all the available options I want, close enough to $70K , bloody hell.

    $20k extra for a car that NO WAY will I get to use the full potential on . . .

    Maybe next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flappa View Post
    I just figured it out.

    The GTI I'm buying with ALL the options that were available that I wanted, cost me say $50k. The R with all the available options I want, close enough to $70K , bloody hell.

    $20k extra for a car that NO WAY will I get to use the full potential on . . .

    Maybe next time.
    The spec you have in your sig, as a GTI 5 door, on the road in the ACT would be $51,516.90. As an R 5 door would be $57,606.90. That's a $6,090.00 or 10.57% difference. So lets not go around making some extravagant claims which are highly unbalanced

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    What's the wait, the dealer i spoke to said 5 months..

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    Well if its a MY11 - it's going to be a long wait - 8+ months.

    Basing this on the fact that an 2011 build wont hit the assembly line until Jan/Feb.

    Unless Corey simply means MY11 as in spec, not build
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    Yes, MY = Model Year (not build date), and MY11 starts ~July for the MK6 Golf.

    And yeah, right now it's about a 5 month wait on the R, less on the GTI. The GTI's have more build allocation slots than the R - that could change depending on demand obviously. So at this stage people who have ordered the R on the weekend should hopefully receive their cars in November.

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