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WhiteJames Golf R -v- Golf GTI 13-06-2010, 12:22 AM
WhiteJames Golf GTI: The GTI has... 13-06-2010, 12:22 AM
Sharkie A mating of the EA888 motor... 13-06-2010, 08:42 AM
Maverick But the Golf has a few things... 13-06-2010, 10:56 AM
G-rig The Tig is an SUV as well... 13-06-2010, 11:02 AM
Sharkie Well looks are in the eye of... 13-06-2010, 11:04 AM
Corey_R Thanks for the review WJ. I... 13-06-2010, 08:44 AM
Glennb Does the APR Stg 1 chip bring... 13-06-2010, 08:59 AM
iBoost Thanks for the detailed... 13-06-2010, 09:16 AM
Corey_R It gives both more torque and... 13-06-2010, 10:14 AM
G-rig Re: Golf R -v- Golf GTI 14-06-2010, 01:39 PM
Sharkie Thanks mate, the 135i is an... 14-06-2010, 01:55 PM
sharkablue Personally I think from 40 to... 14-06-2010, 02:28 PM
hooba I finally got to drive the R... 14-06-2010, 04:12 PM
G-rig Re: Golf R -v- Golf GTI 14-06-2010, 10:07 PM
alebonau I dont know, golf gti owner... 14-06-2010, 10:23 PM
flappa WTF did that come from ?? ... 14-06-2010, 10:28 PM
lincs i dont think anyone was... 14-06-2010, 10:48 PM
G-rig Re: Golf R -v- Golf GTI 15-06-2010, 11:39 AM
hooba I drove the GTI around the... 15-06-2010, 12:39 PM
iBoost Yeah who cares really? If... 15-06-2010, 01:07 PM
G-rig Exactly. Yeah, or if... 15-06-2010, 01:11 PM
G-rig Looks a lot better than the R... 22-06-2010, 10:00 PM
G-rig The MK6 EA888 fuel pump is... 30-06-2010, 03:13 PM
thezoneR32 Has anyone here had their R... 30-06-2010, 07:29 PM
G-rig Guy told me APR tuned 13 or... 30-06-2010, 09:40 PM
thezoneR32 Where are those people we... 30-06-2010, 11:05 PM
G-rig Any of these cars are fast... 01-07-2010, 10:17 AM
dave_r Wait for FLM to get back to... 01-07-2010, 10:48 AM
thezoneR32 Sorry this is way off topic... 01-07-2010, 07:33 PM
Corey_R FOS in relation to what?... 01-07-2010, 07:43 PM
sameatworld R vs MKV GTI (my experience) 05-07-2010, 12:21 AM
ccoops79 Hi. Thanks for your... 05-07-2010, 12:43 AM
sameatworld I forgot to say that both the... 05-07-2010, 12:58 AM
Fab_R good write up. i'm in the... 05-07-2010, 05:28 AM
WhiteJames MKV GTI 'Chippied' -v- Golf... 05-07-2010, 05:47 AM
sameatworld This is so true!! Except for... 05-07-2010, 06:24 AM
dopey One thing I really love in... 05-07-2010, 12:24 PM
thezoneR32 Seems to me from everything... 05-07-2010, 02:43 PM
G-rig Cool vids WJ. 11-07-2010, 05:27 PM
AdamD +1, thanks WhiteJames! I've... 11-07-2010, 05:33 PM
WhiteJames Six (6) individual fuel... 11-07-2010, 07:06 PM
G-rig WJ, can you feel the... 11-07-2010, 08:25 PM
G-rig That's a great comparison... 02-08-2010, 10:13 AM
Guy_H Lakeside does not reward an... 02-08-2010, 11:34 AM
Guy_H Couple of pics courtesy of... 02-08-2010, 11:42 AM
WhiteJames 3 litres of oil in 25 laps at... 21-08-2010, 08:17 PM
WhiteJames BFYB title goes to Golf GTI: 21-08-2010, 08:18 PM
WhiteJames Pictures - Post # 282 WJ... 21-08-2010, 08:35 PM
Corey_R WhiteJames, you have... 21-08-2010, 08:36 PM
hooba I've had a similar experience... 22-08-2010, 03:48 PM
Tux I had Xenons on my Mini, and... 06-09-2010, 10:19 AM
HPSOV I use my R for daily commute... 04-10-2010, 09:04 PM
HPSOV Ok here comes the beginners... 05-10-2010, 04:33 PM
team_v It doesn't. AWD will only... 05-10-2010, 04:35 PM
SilvrFoxX Well true to a point, I would... 05-10-2010, 05:18 PM
G-rig That's right, once you are... 05-10-2010, 05:42 PM
Happs Funnily enough it's the... 05-10-2010, 05:27 PM
Peteaussi Golf R vs GTI Shootout -... 14-10-2010, 09:51 AM
Corey_R Thanks Peteaussi. I merged... 14-10-2010, 10:30 AM
runningmanz 3.5/5 for the R? Killjoys!... 14-10-2010, 10:56 AM
HPSOV Hang on, the 3.5 the R got... 14-10-2010, 11:12 AM
runningmanz Yeah I don't get why it only... 14-10-2010, 11:22 AM
simonm I was wondering exactly this... 14-10-2010, 11:23 AM
Corey_R The article in general is... 14-10-2010, 11:24 AM
runningmanz Yeah I hate lazy, ignorant... 14-10-2010, 11:34 AM
Mr_Bob safety in a passenger car, is... 14-10-2010, 11:38 AM
Corey_R Yep, I understand the... 14-10-2010, 11:52 AM
pologti18t Other manufacturers seem to... 14-10-2010, 11:55 AM
thestu This stuff is hilarious. 21-10-2010, 04:55 PM
Big Yellow but the mk6 gti does have a... 17-11-2010, 04:38 PM
Corey_R New doesn't mean "better"... 17-11-2010, 05:43 PM
Converted :rolleyes: 17-11-2010, 06:08 PM
SilvrFoxX yup, I have one.. havnt seen... 17-11-2010, 06:10 PM
triode12 These were my exact words... 17-11-2010, 09:07 PM
Corey_R Vindicated? The MK6 is... 17-11-2010, 09:17 PM
triode12 Oh you won't get any argument... 17-11-2010, 09:23 PM
Big Yellow in reality the k04 is not... 23-11-2010, 11:31 AM
gh172 Just picked up the latest... 17-02-2011, 07:22 PM
Corey_R Obviously manual times for... 17-02-2011, 07:25 PM
Corey_R Hehehe... well, you know the... 17-02-2011, 07:35 PM
sabloke So do many other cars. Mine... 17-02-2011, 07:48 PM
parso_rex Hmm what speed can the... 17-02-2011, 09:11 PM
hooba The closeness of the 80-120... 17-02-2011, 09:15 PM
gh172 You are correct , manual R... 17-02-2011, 07:29 PM
Big Yellow i went from an r32 to a mk6... 18-02-2011, 01:32 PM
Angryman X2 As a former traffic... 04-04-2011, 06:44 AM
triode12 x3 If you want to know what... 04-04-2011, 08:43 AM
Sammy125TDi x4 Lag is what my Series 5... 04-04-2011, 03:05 PM
Ideo Even my other car (S3 in Sig)... 04-04-2011, 03:43 PM
roy R if no budget limit Sent... 23-04-2011, 10:13 AM
adzy For sure. Once you go even... 23-04-2011, 12:00 PM
REXman I agree sort of. I prefer my... 23-04-2011, 12:43 PM
adzy Agree with all that :) but... 23-04-2011, 04:44 PM
Cookie28 An R + an S3 = an RS3 :grin: 25-04-2011, 11:52 PM
Finance_Analyst Yes that is right - I use to... 26-04-2011, 09:38 AM
Vaku Obviously no one would take... 03-06-2011, 09:10 AM
sabloke Don't know about you guys but... 03-06-2011, 09:16 AM
AdamD I do quite a bit of commuting... 03-06-2011, 09:22 AM
worx :D Maybe if the GTI had a R... 03-06-2011, 10:13 AM
DoggieHowser Wow. This is almost as heated... 16-06-2011, 10:51 AM
Ideo Mmmmm Honda powered Elise. ... 16-06-2011, 11:09 AM
DoggieHowser Actually they were using... 16-06-2011, 11:26 AM
SilvrFoxX No just want to get the... 18-06-2011, 10:22 AM
sabloke ha ha, wouldn't that be... 18-06-2011, 12:26 PM
Mi16 Man But just think about all that... 18-06-2011, 12:14 PM
WhiteJames If I had to buy again; I'd... 18-06-2011, 12:23 PM
SilvrFoxX The reason the GTI is cheaper... 18-06-2011, 03:18 PM
Mi16 Man After 1756 posts, be happy... 18-06-2011, 07:35 PM
SilvrFoxX lol.. after this many posts I... 18-06-2011, 07:47 PM
markwid Watch out...excessive dry... 18-06-2011, 10:19 PM
Lucas_R Allright....enough of this... 18-06-2011, 10:46 PM
sabloke How right you are! My Sunday... 18-06-2011, 08:39 PM
WhiteJames Overall I'm finding the Golf... 18-06-2011, 09:15 PM
DDTW I just like it that GTI/R32... 18-06-2011, 09:32 PM
Mi16 Man Amen to that SF! I've... 18-06-2011, 10:11 PM
Wolfgang They are just making sure it... 18-06-2011, 10:47 PM
Ideo You mean another GTI? 18-06-2011, 11:22 PM
triode12 Only happens with the MkVIs... 19-06-2011, 06:13 AM
WhiteJames Never ending argument 19-06-2011, 09:17 AM
sabloke Some say that VW is about to... 20-06-2011, 03:30 PM
sabloke Ha ha, that is gold!!! ... 22-06-2011, 01:05 PM
DoggieHowser I vaguely recall reading that... 27-06-2011, 10:33 AM
Corey_R Yeah it is. 155kw and 350Nm.... 27-06-2011, 10:41 AM
Sharkie Actually the A3 runs the MK5... 27-06-2011, 11:47 AM
Corey_R Heh... I thought they updated... 27-06-2011, 12:04 PM
Finance_Analyst Although the Audi dealer on... 27-06-2011, 12:15 PM
T Go Surely the claimed 0-100km... 27-06-2011, 12:21 PM
kane Haha yeah I think it is very... 06-07-2011, 09:53 PM
Mi16 Man It's only an executive "roll"... 06-07-2011, 09:54 PM
SilvrFoxX OK guys I think you are going... 07-07-2011, 07:57 AM
Corey_R Good post SilvrFoxX. There... 07-07-2011, 08:42 AM
sabloke I couldn't agree more... 07-07-2011, 09:18 AM
Rob_R It was all light hearted... 07-07-2011, 05:22 PM
DoggieHowser Tell that to the Scuderia and... 08-07-2011, 10:04 AM
MkVIGTI I used my friend's Evo 9 as... 08-07-2011, 10:10 AM
DoggieHowser I hope he's referring to the... 08-07-2011, 10:28 AM
MkVIGTI No he was acutally refering... 08-07-2011, 11:56 AM
Ideo As usual, JC spouts utter... 08-07-2011, 05:06 PM
DoggieHowser Having driven around Brisbane... 09-07-2011, 09:22 AM
Mi16 Man Hmmmm....my Golf GTI has more... 14-07-2011, 09:40 AM
sabloke As I said before, have done... 14-07-2011, 01:54 PM
Capercat you're lucky! 14-07-2011, 04:52 PM
mfl Not all Golf's are created... 14-07-2011, 06:37 PM
Whistler I'de still have my Clio 192... 20-07-2011, 06:51 PM
rs73 on my first service i told my... 20-07-2011, 10:32 PM
gman90 GTI or R ??? 24-07-2011, 01:24 PM
SilvrFoxX You need to look in this... 24-07-2011, 01:44 PM
bang chong In my opinion you could do... 24-07-2011, 01:46 PM
Ideo Been done to death. Test... 24-07-2011, 02:15 PM
triode12 One is more fun to drive than... 24-07-2011, 03:59 PM
Fab_R If only it were that... 24-07-2011, 10:09 PM
adzy ...... and rising blue? ;) 25-07-2011, 10:19 AM
MiiLos Drove past a RB-R today, and... 01-08-2011, 04:07 PM
sabloke The R is in a league of its... 04-08-2011, 06:07 PM
Candyman Let your Falcodore mates know... 04-08-2011, 08:56 PM
adzy Both very good points lol it... 04-08-2011, 09:04 PM
Fab_R You forgot, Taxi's also :P ... 04-08-2011, 09:17 PM
Candyman Personally I can't wait to... 04-08-2011, 09:28 PM
Fab_R There you go Dave. Business... 05-08-2011, 08:05 AM
Mi16 Man Kudos to WJ for not taking... 07-08-2011, 09:57 PM
Ideo And a massive shoutout to Ray... 08-08-2011, 10:05 AM
SilvrFoxX How ghetto 08-08-2011, 07:33 PM
Tobes_WIR35 Quick question lads, where... 08-08-2011, 08:37 PM
Mi16 Man Oh yes! Silly me...."Hi... 08-08-2011, 07:16 PM
kane Is that photo of mullaway... 09-08-2011, 10:38 PM
Ideo Epic spotting. Yeah, it is... 10-08-2011, 10:15 AM
kane Haha I used to holiday there... 10-08-2011, 03:08 PM
WhiteJames Golf R or BMW M3? 20-08-2011, 09:33 AM
SilvrFoxX No... I am the Whitejames 20-08-2011, 10:24 AM
Tim Does not compute 20-08-2011, 11:01 AM
sabloke Yeah, everyone knows that DSG... 20-08-2011, 01:16 PM
JPanDAX Scirocco? I'm with Cory on... 13-09-2011, 07:24 PM
police state Well after living in Europe... 13-09-2011, 08:08 PM
Corey_R Arguing "looks" is as... 13-09-2011, 08:34 PM
SilvrFoxX but it is.. :) 13-09-2011, 08:35 PM
Capercat I agree with the leather... 16-09-2011, 12:50 PM
Mi16 Man U guys seen this R vs GTI... 15-09-2011, 08:37 PM
Tobes_WIR35 Clearly, RED is better than... 15-09-2011, 08:44 PM
PLR You made me do it 16-09-2011, 12:32 PM
triode12 LOL...at least one has seen... 16-09-2011, 02:12 PM
SilvrFoxX Talk to Candyman, he has just... 16-09-2011, 05:07 PM
Capercat It was more amusing reading... 16-09-2011, 01:07 PM
Mi16 Man Oh well! ... 20-09-2011, 07:08 PM
SilvrFoxX lol.. kicking it old school..... 20-09-2011, 08:23 PM
Ideo Edited For Accuracy. 20-09-2011, 09:36 PM
SilvrFoxX transmission envy will get... 20-09-2011, 09:40 PM
Mi16 Man I've only driven a DSG in a... 20-09-2011, 08:33 PM
Mi16 Man Or, 'stir the pot' with... 21-09-2011, 07:02 AM
PLR Cheeky buggers :-) Maybe I... 21-09-2011, 08:24 PM
hooba Having one of each is handy,... 21-09-2011, 09:55 PM
MoppaChoppa Up to what point does it make... 21-09-2011, 10:04 PM
walbjj well with my situation, i got... 21-09-2011, 10:20 PM
Ideo By the time I fitted xenon... 22-09-2011, 09:35 AM
nat225 some people spend up on their... 22-09-2011, 10:10 AM
Corey_R I'm not really sure the... 22-09-2011, 10:15 AM
WhiteJames GTI -v- R 24-09-2011, 07:52 PM
hooba :facepalm: ... 24-09-2011, 09:32 PM
SilvrFoxX Goddamn that is funny 25-09-2011, 09:55 AM
wooduck WJ, Sammy was able to perform... 25-09-2011, 10:56 AM
Candyman April is oldish for a recent... 09-10-2011, 08:37 PM
chylld thanks candyman :) april is... 09-10-2011, 08:56 PM
Candyman Good onya, enjoy it ... 09-10-2011, 09:05 PM
MkVIGTI Just test drove the RS250... 09-12-2011, 09:26 PM
WhiteJames RS250 -v- Golf R 10-12-2011, 01:31 PM
SilvrFoxX Why would you, once you know... 10-12-2011, 02:24 PM
WhiteJames Drive car of the year... 10-12-2011, 06:10 PM
Candyman Oh dear, that's a negative... 10-12-2011, 06:37 PM
SilvrFoxX *sigh* I can do it too,... 10-12-2011, 07:46 PM
Fab_R That's because they are a... 10-12-2011, 07:47 PM
Corey_R Maybe it's time to start... 10-12-2011, 08:03 PM
Candyman Read the thread title, it... 11-12-2011, 09:07 PM
Fab_R Its no use CM....:facepalm:... 11-12-2011, 09:10 PM
sh|tbmxrider Oh boo hoo. Strange,... 11-12-2011, 09:16 PM
brimway I doubt that I would buy a... 11-12-2011, 09:19 PM
adzy RS250 ****s on the VW's for... 11-12-2011, 09:23 PM
Fab_R Settle down MW or I'm gunna... 11-12-2011, 09:55 PM
Candyman Seems that way Fab. Back... 11-12-2011, 09:15 PM
Mi16 Man Bet this thread causes plenty... 11-12-2011, 09:45 PM
Ideo I just did 1700kms in 2 days... 31-01-2012, 09:01 PM
MaxMo Some great comments and... 01-02-2012, 11:47 AM
WhiteJames Motor Trend 22-02-2012, 08:36 PM
WhiteJames Motor Trend is a North... 02-04-2012, 08:51 PM
SilvrFoxX I miss Ray 02-04-2012, 09:00 PM
oshuyi Wow, Ray still doesn't have... 03-04-2012, 03:16 PM
Candyman Gee, the R is rubbish isn't... 02-04-2012, 09:10 PM
SilvrFoxX Overpriced and not worth the... 02-04-2012, 09:14 PM
Rob_R Too heavy and less engaging. 02-04-2012, 09:55 PM
DoggieHowser ****. 37 grand and he calls... 02-04-2012, 10:07 PM
Candyman I definately should have... 02-04-2012, 10:07 PM
Buller_Scott as an overall package, it's... 04-04-2012, 08:12 PM
tonymy01 The ride height and... 02-04-2012, 11:32 PM
Lucas_R "Ray" still hasn't bought a... 03-04-2012, 02:15 PM
Ideo Yeah, but he has paid 4... 03-04-2012, 03:48 PM
WhiteJames Positive Karma 04-04-2012, 07:30 PM
Candyman Stuck carriage return. 04-04-2012, 07:38 PM
andrew7 WJ, loving your Mk7 updates.... 04-04-2012, 08:06 PM
Candyman I was joking btw ;) 04-04-2012, 08:40 PM
Buller_Scott i know. i was just saying...... 04-04-2012, 09:17 PM
WhiteJames Now I have an iPad-3, I'm a... 04-04-2012, 09:40 PM
Buller_Scott that's what the world is... 04-04-2012, 09:50 PM
WhiteJames Would a FT86/BRZ catch a few... 04-04-2012, 10:27 PM
andrew7 Agreed WJ, seems like common... 05-04-2012, 04:38 PM
SilvrFoxX I think the Megane will... 05-04-2012, 05:56 AM
Candyman It has to make it to two... 05-04-2012, 09:10 AM
team_v Just to bump up the mix there... 05-04-2012, 09:42 AM
AdamD 250hp is speculative. There's... 05-04-2012, 02:00 PM
WhiteJames Americans and the Golf R 05-04-2012, 02:20 PM
brad I think TRD & STI might have... 05-04-2012, 03:48 PM
Candyman The Subaru doesn't come close... 05-04-2012, 02:42 PM
Buller_Scott tell anyone on the outside... 05-04-2012, 03:03 PM
Candyman It was a dig at WJ/Ray ... 05-04-2012, 03:06 PM
WhiteJames Mazda Raceway - Laguna Seca... 05-04-2012, 03:43 PM
Buller_Scott hey im easily fooled - i wear... 06-04-2012, 12:33 AM
Candyman Mmmmm, why do the warning... 06-04-2012, 08:48 AM
Candyman Yes, I've noticed .... ... 06-04-2012, 09:00 AM
SilvrFoxX lol.. you must be a joy at... 06-04-2012, 09:10 AM
jrgti The R is a good car but only... 06-04-2012, 01:41 PM
Candyman Always, especially at Megane... 06-04-2012, 09:16 AM
SilvrFoxX I can see the invites coming... 06-04-2012, 09:32 AM
Candyman I'll be sure to send myself... 06-04-2012, 09:33 AM
SilvrFoxX True, but the R doesn't have... 06-04-2012, 09:39 AM
Candyman As I said, justify a purchase... 06-04-2012, 01:47 PM
Candyman What is this you speak of ? ... 06-04-2012, 01:48 PM
SilvrFoxX Could not agree more... ... 06-04-2012, 02:35 PM
Candyman Yes :) Just needed... 06-04-2012, 02:36 PM
ConR Personally, being from Canada... 06-04-2012, 02:45 PM
SilvrFoxX Fair comment, however if you... 06-04-2012, 02:51 PM
ConR Yes I will completely agree... 06-04-2012, 02:55 PM
Candyman AWD is great for towing GTIs... 06-04-2012, 03:03 PM
SilvrFoxX You are on a roll today...... 06-04-2012, 03:06 PM
Candyman Why pussyfoot around it. ... 06-04-2012, 03:09 PM
SilvrFoxX Sif that gives you license,... 06-04-2012, 03:15 PM
ConR I personally have no issues... 06-04-2012, 03:10 PM
Candyman You need to try harder ;) 06-04-2012, 03:15 PM
Candyman Isn't that what this thread... 06-04-2012, 03:17 PM
ConR Maybe thats why you bought an... 06-04-2012, 03:18 PM
SilvrFoxX Who me :rolleyes: butter... 06-04-2012, 03:20 PM
Candyman One of the many reasons... 06-04-2012, 03:21 PM
ConR http://www.vwwatercooled.com.a... 06-04-2012, 06:34 PM
SilvrFoxX http://www.vwwatercooled.com.a... 06-04-2012, 06:37 PM
ConR http://ecsb.exbdblogs.com/file... 06-04-2012, 06:49 PM
AdamD In 242 pages this thread... 06-04-2012, 07:11 PM
ConR Wow. Another tool who think... 06-04-2012, 04:29 PM
brimway Having owned a GTI and now an... 06-04-2012, 04:40 PM
Brendan_A Hehe yep! They think they are... 06-04-2012, 04:34 PM
Candyman LOL Here it comes. ... 06-04-2012, 04:35 PM
Candyman Still drive a GTI as well... 06-04-2012, 04:37 PM
ConR No my comment was solely... 06-04-2012, 04:38 PM
Candyman Resorting to personal attacks... 06-04-2012, 04:40 PM
Candyman Replacing it might be a... 06-04-2012, 04:57 PM
brimway I fear you may be right,... 06-04-2012, 05:13 PM
Candyman Agreed Could mean further... 06-04-2012, 05:16 PM
SilvrFoxX :drinkbeer::dark: ... 06-04-2012, 05:36 PM
jords Really? Just because you... 06-04-2012, 05:41 PM
SilvrFoxX https://encrypted-tbn1.google.... 06-04-2012, 05:51 PM
Candyman Boohoo. I must be... 06-04-2012, 05:56 PM
SilvrFoxX http://www.vwwatercooled.com.a... 06-04-2012, 06:01 PM
Brendan_A CM, I don't own a GTI or an R... 06-04-2012, 06:21 PM
Candyman LOL Good luck with it mate... 06-04-2012, 06:24 PM
Candyman Hahaha Love ya SF :D 06-04-2012, 06:25 PM
SilvrFoxX Sorry ,, 3 beers and I am... 06-04-2012, 06:27 PM
Candyman All yours I have to get... 06-04-2012, 06:30 PM
SilvrFoxX If the GTI is blue it gets... 06-04-2012, 06:32 PM
Candyman Not blue sadly though we did... 06-04-2012, 08:30 PM
SilvrFoxX Silver ... OMG 06-04-2012, 08:37 PM
Candyman It's not too bad really. Bit... 06-04-2012, 08:48 PM
bluefrog thought I'd add my 2ml to the... 07-04-2012, 08:12 AM
AdamD Great insights, thanks for... 07-04-2012, 10:46 AM
bluefrog no worries Adam ... one day... 07-04-2012, 10:52 AM
Candyman Golf R wins Fewer letters... 07-04-2012, 11:49 PM
bluefrog lol :D not for my... 08-04-2012, 12:03 AM
ConR No the Roc is only available... 09-04-2012, 01:21 PM
Candyman Drivers car ? Shop... 09-04-2012, 05:05 PM
Candyman Kids, stop it. I'm the ****... 09-04-2012, 07:33 PM
Candyman No, I was referring to the... 09-04-2012, 07:43 PM
Candyman Five hours on the road to... 09-04-2012, 08:46 PM
Ideo No true driving enthusiast is... 10-04-2012, 09:22 AM
tonymy01 I drove around the southern... 09-04-2012, 08:57 PM
jozeff Hi all, So I took a drive... 09-04-2012, 10:38 PM
DoggieHowser A while back, I read a review... 10-04-2012, 10:05 AM
WhiteJames AWD, Bilstein & Love... 19-04-2012, 09:07 PM
sillyboy Would you be able to find... 20-04-2012, 07:13 PM
DoggieHowser Don't have all the details. ... 20-04-2012, 11:26 PM
WhiteJames Golf R -v- Sirocco R 28-04-2012, 09:20 PM
tonymy01 Interesting. I am doing the... 28-04-2012, 10:48 PM
WhiteJames Pics - Volkswagen Evolution... 29-04-2012, 06:07 AM
Candyman He is soft, he drives an R 31-05-2012, 08:17 PM
Candyman Another win for the driving... 03-06-2012, 07:01 PM
Candyman You aren't suggesting WJ... 04-06-2012, 09:33 PM
SilvrFoxX Geez CM, I thought it but... 05-06-2012, 06:00 AM
Klink1313 Well unjustified criticism... 05-06-2012, 10:48 AM
Ideo It's ok. Ray knows how to... 05-06-2012, 11:10 AM
Candyman Should've bought an 86 ;) 05-06-2012, 07:11 PM
SilvrFoxX But Ray would have wanted the... 05-06-2012, 07:26 PM
Mi16 Man Pass me the popcorn too!! ... 05-06-2012, 07:42 PM
Candyman I've seen a GTI with R tails... 05-06-2012, 07:43 PM
Mi16 Man But have you seen a VW with a... 05-06-2012, 10:22 PM
Candyman Have seen a Skoda with a GTI... 05-06-2012, 10:24 PM
SilvrFoxX I have heard an R with the... 06-06-2012, 08:34 AM
Candyman Hahahaha Love it, this... 06-06-2012, 12:27 PM
Candyman Agreed Regarding reviews,... 06-06-2012, 09:53 PM
WhiteJames Twins -v- Mark 7 Golf 07-06-2012, 07:34 AM
SilvrFoxX So WJ, where is you head at... 07-06-2012, 07:58 AM
Candyman Track comparison of two... 07-06-2012, 07:59 AM
Candyman No, it doesn't. Different... 07-06-2012, 08:00 AM
WhiteJames Screw the price brackets ...... 07-06-2012, 08:14 AM
Candyman So if price isn't a factor... 07-06-2012, 08:17 AM
Candyman The 86 looks better (a lot... 07-06-2012, 08:28 AM
WhiteJames Because it excels in every... 07-06-2012, 08:33 AM
SilvrFoxX we back to this again..... 07-06-2012, 08:36 AM
Candyman See, if I had WJs unlimited... 07-06-2012, 08:44 AM
SilvrFoxX Don't poke the bear 07-06-2012, 08:47 AM
Candyman I owned a GTI, I can poke... 07-06-2012, 08:48 AM
SilvrFoxX It does indeed :) 07-06-2012, 08:50 AM
Candyman Might go pleasure myself now... 07-06-2012, 09:04 AM
adzy So its all just hype huh,... 07-06-2012, 11:19 AM
SilvrFoxX hmmm crippled Subaru Liberty... 07-06-2012, 11:52 AM
adzy You obviously know nothing... 07-06-2012, 12:43 PM
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  1. #1
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    Golf R -v- Golf GTI

    Golf R –v- Golf GTI


    I stopped by Gerald Slaven Volkswagen, Belconnen, ACT and Sales Manager Phil Fairhall was kind enough to allow me to take the new Mark 6 Golf R for a test drive on a whim. I set a few conditions on Manager Phil Fairhall – the Golf R had to be test driven along a challenging B’grade roadway with some ascents, descents, and a few tight twisties, in addition to the odd National Capitol roundabout. This is not Manager Phil’s usual 10km test drive route and I wanted to see if the Golf R would cope with some rural type B’grade roadways. The new Volkswagen Golf R had @ 150kms on the odometer and had been test driven several times over during this day. I predominately used the DSG shift paddles on the otherwise un-optioned 5 door Blue Golf R with 18’ wheels (see pics in WJ Suspension & Wheel Thread for pics).


    In contrast, immediately after the test drive of the Golf R, I drove the same route in my own Mark 6 Golf GTI DSG with DCC on ‘Normal’ mode & riding on 18” Detroit Wheels. The Golf GTI was not revved past 4500rpm as it’s in the process of a particular type of break-in atm and has @ 2500km on the odometer.


    One passenger was on board for both test runs in the Golf R and GTI.


    Golf R:


    First thing I noticed about the Golf R is that it felt as tight as a drum – very secure on its 20% stiffer than GTI springs. Taking off in Drive/Auto, it was immediately obvious that the power band of the Golf R’s EA113 KO4 motor exhibited low down lag compared to the EA888 motor in the MK6 GTI. The turbo lag in the Golf R was not excessive, but did involve a muted response to the throttle application and loss of feel. I’d attribute this to the less instant torque down low coupled with the added weight of the Golf R (@ 120kgs extra on GTI). When spooled up, the older belt cam driven EA113 KO4 motor of the Golf R did feel more refined & was quieter than the newer chain driven cam EA888 motor in the MK6 GTI. The fuel delivery of the Golf R didn’t feel as well metered as that in the MK6 GTI, but this was expected.


    Driving out of Belconnen just behind Black Mountain Tower on suburban roadway with predominately 80kph posted limits, the 20% stiffer Golf R springs was riding in a similar manner as the Golf GTI, only with a touch more rebound in the spring rate and a greater tied down feeling. The Golf R felt that bit more Grand Tourer in ride.


    Leaning on the Golf R between 20kph to 80kph showed a mix of linear surge forward, mated with a laggy feel lower in the rev range. It’s obvious that the max torque comes on song later in the rev range with the Golf R. Between 1000rpm and 3500rpm - 4000rpm, the Golf R motor is uninspiring. You’re moving forward, but without any sense of feeling, rather building up to a higher crescendo.


    Once you straddle the 4000rpm to 6000rpm, the Golf R comes alive with some real strong thrust. The rpm gauge moves fast in this band of rpm, requiring some fast work on the DSG paddles. The final 4,000rpm from 6,000rpm onwards makes up for the lack-lusted feel below 4,000rpm. The power delivery of the Golf R does notably pin you into the seat back harder and for longer than in the MK6 GTI, but by no means is this thrust overwhelming.


    Heading out to a rural mild B-grade roadway that borders Canberra had the Golf R riding the bumps surprisingly well for a vehicle that has 20% stiffer springs than the GTI. The extra weight helps the Golf R soak into the undulations, rather than riding or bouncing over them as in the case of the GTI.


    Overall - I wouldn’t say that the Golf R riding on 18” wheels is superior or interior to the GTI in ride – but it does ride better over the smaller low speed compression bumps and has sufficient rebound rate in the springs & dampers to keep the chassis well contained. The suspension tune also offers enough compliance for mild to good B-grade roadways on this short B’grade roadway portion of the drive. Please note that this was a short test drive.



    It was time to chuck the Golf R around a few tight twisting B’grade coarse bitumen corners in addition to dropping into and out of valleys to see how she handled.


    The Haldex system on the new Mark 6 Golf R is superior to the Haldex system on the MKV R32 Golf. It is also superior to the aftermarket Generation III Haldex Controller that some owners fit to their R32 to improve the time it takes for the vehicle to apportion drive to the rear wheels. The shift from front wheel drive to rear wheel is almost imperceptible and the grip levels are very high. Mid corner grip levels do not feel to be as high as the Mark GTI, and it is debatable how much an advantage the Haldex AWD gives the Golf R over the electronic EDL/XDS differential of the Golf GTI. When applying the gas, the feeling of the Haldex AWD in the Golf R is certainly better than the FWD GTI.


    To drive, the Golf R feels like a 50/50 AWD than a FWD shifting power to the rear wheel slip is detected as in the case of the earlier MKV R32 Golf. The drive experience of the Haldex Generation IV in the Golf R was certainly one of the highlights of my drive experience when pressing on in this portion of the B-grade roadway drive. It’s all very seem-less and fuss free.


    Another highlight of driving the Golf R was the chassis balance.


    The Golf R is definitely an improvement over the front heavy Golf R32, which exhibited much more understeer, swaying under heavy braking and with the occasional rub of the front top inner fender screw due carrying the heavy V6 motor up front. With 35kg less over the front axle than the MKV R32, the Golf R is beginning to feel more BMW 50/50 like in weight distribution. With the front to rear balance much improved over the previous model, the Golf R adds reassurance and ease of effort when hustling via a series of bends. The reduction in weight and improved weight distribution front to rear certainly improves grip levels over the outgoing R32 MKV Golf.


    The larger diameter brakes on the Golf R (330mm/310mm) did not feel as sensitive as those on the new Mark 6 GTI. I had not a great deal of cause to lean on them, but for street driving, the retardation of the Golf R brakes –v- the GTI has the GTI feeling to have greater initial bite. The extra weight of the Golf R may have something to do with this, and for repeated stops, I’d be putting my money on the Golf R for consistency. The tyres on the Golf R and GTI seem to be about the same standard now, whereas the MKV GTI had tyres one step down in terms of performance in comparison with the R32 (i.e. Conti CS2 –v- Conti CS3; Dunlop Sport –v- Dunlop Sport Maxx, etc).


    I conducted a test of tractability between the Golf R and Golf GTI. This involved dropping the speed to 20kph under the speed limit in top gear (6th) on approach to a long & steep hill. About half throttle would be applied to see if the vehicle would increase speed in ascending up this protracted climb. The Golf R failed to accelerate up the hill leading up to half throttle, maintaining a constant speed until a down change to 5th gear was required nearing the peak of the climb. This showed that the bigger turbo could not overcome its turbo lag to spool up enough towards maximum torque for the hill climb. This detracted from the driveability of the Golf R and is clear evidence that the Golf R requires revs to extract the best from it under pressing conditions. You wouldn’t want to be caught in the incorrect gear under load in the Golf R.
    Last edited by WhiteJames; 24-02-2011 at 06:36 AM. Reason: Add update to post no. 2 and Renault review.

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    Golf GTI:


    The GTI has a tendency to skip, jump and bounce over a series of roadway irregularities due to the less kerb mass. The added weight of the Golf R is a welcomed addition in this respect, with a trade off in mid-corner grip levels & agility. The ride on the GTI is about the same as the Golf R on 18” wheels in some respects. Cross winds also has an adverse effect on the stability of the Golf GTI as higher speeds, due to its less kerb mass.


    The Golf R doesn’t look any better than the Golf GTI, probably worse in my opinion, especially with the 18” wheels that look smaller than the 18” GTI Detroit Wheels. The 19” Golf R wheels on a 235 series tyre is guaranteed to rub against the top inner fender screw.


    The new Audi developed EA888 TSI motor with more measured fuelling from the 4 lobe camshaft actuator and chain drive camshaft is noisier than the Golf R and MKV GTI EA113 motor. Timing chains will do this to a motor – in contrast, cam belts are quiet.


    The Mark 6 GTI motor develops more torque early in its rev range, making for instant power, punch & crispness to throttle inputs & forward thrust as opposed to the Golf R, which feels devoid of feel and builds speed up in a strong linear fashion – a typical trait of the older EA113 motor.


    The greater thrust in the lower rev band makes the GTI more user friendly around town and when tackling the tight twisties - the driver is not required to rev the motor as hard or to have the MK6 GTI in the correct gear to extract the maximum performance from the EA888 Audi developed motor. In contrast, being caught in the incorrect gear in the Golf R would have the Golf GTI jumping ahead, especially up inclines. Easily done in day to day traffic.


    Driving the same route and conducting the same tractability test up the same hill, the GTI in top gear (6th) pulled cleanly and easily with increased speed on ascent with half or less than half throttle - whereas the Golf R was struggling to get into the meat of its torque band . Part of the Golf R’s problem is the added weight; the other issue is that the EA113 KO4 big turbo motor requires revs to perform; whereas the GTI motor does not require revs, as max torque starts at 1700rpm. The GTI was the clear winner on the protracted incline tractability test.


    After driving the Golf R and Golf GTI back to back along the same route, I’m adamant that the torque figures stated for the Golf GTI are understated. I’d go out on the limb and say that the torque figure is more like 300Nm to 320Nm (in higher gears 3-6) of torque for the Mark 6 Golf GTI (Audi A4/A5 has 155kW/350Nm).


    The Mark 6 Golf GTI felt so much stronger in the lower & mid range power delivery than the Golf R. Downside of the Golf GTI is that power tapers off @ 5500rpm, where the Golf R is hitting its stride up to 6500rpm. More revs does equate to higher fuel consumption.


    It’s disappointing that Volkswagen have detuned the Golf GTI EA888 motor, making it feel less alive & linear than the previous MKV GTI (and Golf R) – 95 RON may have something to do with this. The new Golf GTI EA888 motor appears to be a motor than has the ability to be seriously tuned for large gains in power, judging by its mid-range punch on the Mark 6 GTI. The older EA113 VW developed motor in the Golf R feels like it’s at the end of its development cycle (which it is). Expect big gains in the forthcoming Mark 7 Golf R if it receives the new Mark 6 GTI EA888 motor.


    The Golf GTI’s greatest asset is also its greatest liability – that is front wheel drive (FWD). FWD reduces weight, improving mid speed corner grip levels, agility, braking and responsiveness. On the hand, the GTI cannot shake that FWD feeling with a tad of torque steer on higher throttle applications, which appears to be more pronounced over the previous MK5 GTI, due to the greater mid range power thrust of the stronger EA888 motor.


    After driving the Golf R, the GTI feels front heavy, with all the weight of the mechanicals up front. This can blunt the driving experience to a degree & sometimes can be downright annoying when powering on uphills – a constant reminder that you’ve purchased a FWD motor vehicle. A slow-in/fast-out approach to corners has to be adopted with the MK6 GTI when punting it through corners.


    Where the Golf R relies on its natural chassis balance with improved weight distribution front to rear driving into corners. The GTI has to rely on its upgraded rear anti-roll bar (24mm hollow/tubular) and electronics such as EDL if it’s a slow speed corner (EDL applies brake forcing torque to the outside front wheel & prevent wheel spin) or XDS in the higher speed bends (XDS applies the brake to pull the GTI into the corner, reducing understeer). Both EDL and XDS in particular, make for added grip levels on the GTI, but take a certain amount of fun factor out of the driving experience.


    Which has the better grip levels: GTI or Golf R? Hard to say as they both perform excellently in this regard & the Mark 6 GTI has improved substantially over the Mark 5 GTI in this area (remember that the Sirocco R has FWD and EDL/XDS). The Golf R feels better balanced around corners, making for a more fun drive. The GTI feels to have the better motor for day to day public use.


    Ideally, I’d like the Golf R all wheel drive system mated to the EA888 motor of the Golf GTI – it’d be the best of both worlds in that I’d have a motor with tractability and usability coupled with a better balanced chassis front to rear. The grip level between to the GTI and R is not really the issue.


    I’ll go out on a limb and say that purchasing a Golf R purely for enhanced grip levels, appears, from this short test drive, to be a fool’s paradise. You’d want the Golf R primarily for it better balanced chassis and not its revvy motor or outright acceleration.


    A well balanced chassis tune is very rarely debated, but is crucial to the drive experience. A beaut chassis tune is the defining factor in the drive experience, rather than getting from A to B asap.


    In other words:

    Would I purchase a Mark Golf R for its outright power & acceleration? No. Would I purchase a Golf R for its quiet & refined EA113 motor? No. Would I purchase a Golf R for its larger brakes? No. Would I purchase a Golf R for its superior AWD grip levels? No. Would I purchase a Golf R for its tenability? No. Would I purchase a Golf R for its better balanced chassis tune with improved weight distribution front to rear? Yes.


    Special thanks to Gerald Slaven Volkswagen, Belconnen, ACT and Sales Manager Phil Fairhall for organising for a Golf R test drive at such short notice.

    Gerald Slaven Motors in Canberra have a number of GTI and Golf R’s for delivery and have so far offered me the best price on a Golf R.

    Thanks again Phil Fairhall.

    See pics in the WJ Suspension Thread here:


    ROUND 2
    THE RE-MATCH OF GTI -V- R:


    http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112...-45833-53.html


    ROUND 3
    GOLF GTI -V- RENAULT MEGANE RS250


    http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112...45833-121.html
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    A mating of the EA888 motor and the 4motion AWD system actually do exist already James ..... Can be found in the VW Tiguans ....
    Current: 2023 MY23 T-Roc R Lapiz Blue + Beats Audio + Black pack 2018 MY19 Golf R manual Lapiz Blue + DAP) 2018 MY18 Golf 110TSI (150TSI) Trendline manual White2014 Amarok TSI Red (tuned over 200kw + lots of extras) 2013 Up! manual Red 2017 Polo GTI manual Black Previous VWs and some others ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkie View Post
    A mating of the EA888 motor and the 4motion AWD system actually do exist already James ..... Can be found in the VW Tiguans ....
    But the Golf has a few things Tiguan doesn't and that's handling and looks.

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    The Tig is an SUV as well (higher centre of gravity)..

    Boot size is only marginally bigger too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-rig View Post
    The Tig is an SUV as well (higher centre of gravity)..
    Its amazing what a 40mm drop will do to that centre of gravity problem .....
    Current: 2023 MY23 T-Roc R Lapiz Blue + Beats Audio + Black pack 2018 MY19 Golf R manual Lapiz Blue + DAP) 2018 MY18 Golf 110TSI (150TSI) Trendline manual White2014 Amarok TSI Red (tuned over 200kw + lots of extras) 2013 Up! manual Red 2017 Polo GTI manual Black Previous VWs and some others ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    But the Golf has a few things Tiguan doesn't and that's handling and looks.
    Well looks are in the eye of the beholder .... so thats debatable ..... and handling, yes, stock a Golf has it, however this can be fixed in a Tiguan ...

    The Tiguan has more space than a Golf, makes a better family run-around and more importantly has AWD .... Have embarrased a few Stg 2 GTI's now already as off the line my Tig has a clear advantage ..... in gear to my amazement I've found no real difference either (love p!$$ing off smug GTI drivers....) .... so a Tiguan is like a GTI for grown-ups .... very good value, but yes, not the ultimate when it comes to "on-track" handling, but not standing back 1 inch on the road where everybody spends 99.9% of their time .....

    Not much beats a 210kw/420NM small AWD SUV when it comes to value for money ..... and that money is less then $50K on the road ....

    EDIT: and the R was a bit of a dissapointment driving it after driving to the dealer in the Tig and back home afterwards .... and what makes it worse is that the Tig is my wife's (a girls car !!!!) ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkie View Post
    .... Have embarrased a few Stg 2 GTI's now already as off the line my Tig has a clear advantage ..... in gear to my amazement I've found no real difference either (love p!$$ing off smug GTI drivers....) ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkie View Post
    so a Tiguan is like a GTI for grown-ups
    Does anybody else take as much delight to witness such a delightful contradiction in the same sentence?
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    Thanks for the review WJ.
    I pretty much agree with your review until the conclusion. I'd buy the Golf R for all of those things. Although it has low down lag, it DOES have more power and it does have better outright acceleration. The motor IS quieter and more refined, and in addition, I think it also sounds better when you are giving it some stick. The Golf R for it's AWD? Of course, that is one of its main attractions - if you're saying no to that, then why look at the R at all? Stick with the GTI.

    It's especially important when you have the 'chipped' debates. A GTI chipped alone is still perfectly driveable with it's standard suspension/brakes and the FWD (if you respect the throttle pedal in weather and on the corners). If you were to take it any further, the brakes, suspension and FWD start becoming liabilities. The suspension and brakes you can upgrade - although changing either one of them will quickly diminsh the saving you had. You obviously can't change the FWD issue, and as you noted, you can also do little to gain the balance that the Golf R does (although maybe some of that could be compensated by good suspension tuning).
    But the Golf R chipped will go much further than the GTI can without at least changing to the K04 turbo - which would then give all the negatives to the GTI that you mentioned with the R in relation to low rev lag. The Golf R already has the brakes and suspension to handle that extra power and torque and take it in its stride.

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    Does the APR Stg 1 chip bring the torque curve of the EA113 K04 motor down into the lower revs? Or just boost the torque at the same point?
    Good write up WJ.

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