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Thread: Golf R -v- Golf GTI

  1. #1901
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    it must be frustrating....

    what would happen if "Ray" threw in the towel and spent $15k less on the car that just broke the Nordschleiffe FWD record?

    interesting...

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    Ray had his mind focussed on the Golf R way before it was shown or released to the public. He was concerned about the looks of the Golf R, esp. the front end design with gapping holes in the front bumper and low rent grill, in addition to turbo lag and long term reliability of tuning. Ray prefers a more executive type of package, which the R32 provides with splashes of chrome here and there. He did look at the HSV Senator (too big & heavy), Lexus IF350 Sports/Luxury (too end model goes without sports suspension tune & not aftermarket SATNAV can be fitted, plus the m/v is at the end of the it's life cycle) and he was knocked back on a couple of low ball offers he made for late model low mileage BMW M3 Coupes (insurance premium too high). At that point in time, Ray was looking at buying the best car he could afford. He woken up and smelt the roses & has a change of heart now. Ray will probably use the money to go on the holiday and if he follows my advice, hopefully undertake a few driving courses to improve his skills, which is money well spent.

    As for me, I could live with the looks of the Golf R, apart from the front, it's a nice looking m/v, the weight I could live with, the understeer can be easily rectified with a set of H&R sway bars, but it was too difficult to get my head around buying the same motor I had in the MKV GTI (EA113), esp with the bigger turbo providing less driveability. Ray has a method to his madness in that he tends to keep his ride for 3-5 years and sell before 60,000km odo if you want a reasonable price to finance the purchase of another vehicle. I tend to agreee with him on the 60,000km mark for saleability. My GTI is not used during the week and has abut 25,000km in 13 months - with a couple of longer triips in near future, I'll be hitting 30,000km service in about 15-16mths - a decision will have to be made whether to sell at around 60,000km and 3 years or keep the GTI for the longer term. As an owner of a GTI, I like the GTI more now than when I first purchased it. The GTI does everything so well and XDS is well judged for public road driving. I do get annoyed on rougher tourist routes and B'grade roadways with the brittle ride on 18" wheels/tyres and miss the trade-mark Koni style ride that my old KW coilovers in the MKV GTI offered with a distinct separation from low speed compression and high speed compression damping.

    I did have another look at the Renault Megane RS250 (basic spec) as a comparison against the Trophee RS250 spec to determine the difference between the two. The basic is only really missing the stereo, folding heated mirrors, keyless start, larger wheels and Recaro seats, but still has all the good gear like fancy Italian Brembo brakes, LSD and Revo-knuckle front steering/driveline separator & alloy suspension parts. In terms of practicality the 3 door is a negative and I reckon the basic spec RS250 would be hard to sell 3-4 years on as I find that buyers of 2nd hot hatches tend to be younger guys about 10-20 years younger than me that want all the fancy Recaros seats and bigger 19" wheels. For now I'm extremely happy with the Golf GTI and it's still my choice as the best all-rounder.
    Cheers.
    WJ
    Last edited by WhiteJames; 02-07-2011 at 07:16 AM.

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    WJ,

    I am puzzled at the references to the front end of the R , in my mind it is way and beyond the fairly benign / generic look of the GTI which lends itself to the rest of the range, but to be clear this like your comment is my opinion. I also think that ownership of the GTI has hardened your resolve as the car's characteristics and personality become more evident over time and you appreciate it's nuances.

    The R is much the same in this respect, the more you drive it the better you adapt to how it delivers. I have just come back from a 4 hour trip north and it is a fantastic ride and it just gets smoother and louder the more you drive it. I suspect that although you have taken the R out for a thrash and given your views it is still a limited experience and cannot really compare to the longer term ownership of the GTI.

    Ray has made a mistake in letting the R go, I was of the same mind at a tipping point in the waiting game but now very glad I waited. The R32 , although a great car will age/ date may also get classified as a Classic but the R isn't trying to replace it merely improve on a great footprint.
    Current Ride: MY 16 Daytona Pearl Grey Audi S3- Performance Pack 1, Sunroof and Driver assist

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    I've heard to much about imaginary friend Ray that I'm almost starting to believe in him!
    Ray should buy a computer and say "hi"
    He should also have waited just a few weeks more for his R. So worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whistler View Post
    I've heard to much about imaginary friend Ray that I'm almost starting to believe in him!
    Ray should buy a computer and say "hi"
    He should also have waited just a few weeks more for his R. So worth it!
    I live my life by the motto WWRD - What Would Ray Do? It is my guidance through difficult times.
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    Golf R. Sold
    Citroen DS3 Dsport. Sold
    2016 Skoda Octavia RS Wagon.

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    My friend Ray nearly bought a C63 AMG but he couldn't beleive it didn't come in FWD, he ended up getting a Nissan Pulsar REEBOK!


    APR S2/Whiteline/H&R/Enkei/Carbonio/13.68@101/Winton-1:44.52

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ideo View Post
    I live my life by the motto WWRD - What Would Ray Do? It is my guidance through difficult times.
    Ha! Classic!

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    What would I buy?

    For anyone is looking for an almost fully loaded Golf R 5 door DSG in Rising Blue (minus sunroof & recaro seats), then visit Sutherland Volkswagen and offer them around the 68K mark and it’s yours in late Aug or early Sept. They have spoken to Ray and confirm that he does indeed exist lol. Mind you, Ray didn’t have to forfeit his 1K deposit as he was legally entitled to reimbursement of this money, but left the 1K to the dealer to cover their inconvenience, despite his annoyance.

    In terms of looks of the Golf R: You have to compare it to the Blue R32. The R32 has blue callipers, blue mirrors, classy silver grill, splashing of brushed aluminium inside the cabin. According to Ray, the Golf R has gone a bit cheap in this respect using black as a standard colour. Add Ray’s Pioneer SATNAV stereo with 6” screen that ****es all over the standard top end SATNAV unit that Ray optioned in the new Golf R (with Dynaudio), and it is not difficult to see some cost cutting from the executive looking R32 to the more boy racer looking Golf R. These attributes may not be important to you and I, but they are important to Ray who already owns an R32 and is spending another 30K for not a lot more (less in some respects). Ray reckons the GTI looks classier than the Golf R in terms of grown up appeal.

    Every cloud has a silver lining: Out local dealer is saying the Mark 7 Golf GTI is due in showrooms in early 2013. Ray will hold off until then as he doesn’t want to leave the Volkswagen stable and is happy with the product.

    I just covered 3,000km in 10 days of driving from Sydney to Gold Coast including Byron Bay, Brisbane, Tweed Valley and Raby Bay and the GTI performed fantastically in almost every regard in all types & conditions of driving. I visited the Southport Volkswagen Dealership and Gold Coast Renault Dealer to compare a few vehicles. Looked at the Golf R’s (interest has waned in this vehicle), Polo GTI (too small esp. in the boot), and Megane RS250 (hard dashboard plastics, small aperture for boot, 3 door only & crap stereo & instruments). If I had to buy tomorrow: It would be either a White or Red GTI as I have, but losing the Bi-Xenon’s as I don’t drive much at night or a Renault Megane RS250 Trophee in White. Both may be had for about 48K imo – otherwise, like Ray, wait to see how good the Mark 7 Golf GTI will be come early 2013.

    Cheers
    WJ

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    How many kms do you in dealership cars that you are never going to buy, and how many hours do you spend talking to salesmen out of interest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ideo View Post
    How many kms do you in dealership cars that you are never going to buy, and how many hours do you spend talking to salesmen out of interest?
    +1...
    WJ... the tyre kicker of all tyre kickers... or Tyre Kicker King.

    WJ,
    I used to think you posted some really informative reviews. But your obvious bias and incessant ranting has dulled your credibility.
    With the majority of posts you've made lately in this thread, you may as well start off with... "There's this guys I know....."

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