Golf R Observations and Questions

[Candyman]

So that's probably why Subaru has one of the highest retained values of all makes in Australia (and higher than VW) and also has a high degree of customer loyalty. lol

Some people are just stupid eh (suckered in by advertising and brand) ....

The buying profiles of Subaru customers are well known and not difficult to understand why your comments apply to them.

I was one of those customers, would never go back based on what they are doing to the brand, moreso in current models.

The Australian public love Commodores too.

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...506-1ean8.html

[SilvrFoxX]

I have to agree with Candyman, I too was a Suabru lover, they were a cut above Oz models in features, tech and quality and the benchmark for all the Jap models. Over the last decade they have dropped the ball in all aspects. Their primary target is the US market and with the recent partial purchase by Toyota their models are getting more bloated and designed for the masses.

They are slowly turning the corner but until they start investing in competitive technology especially in their design and gearboxes I fear the competition will continue to keep ahead

[jjj]

The wife has a previous gen Liberty GT , I've got the R. The Liberty is a nice place to be, the interior quality is better than the R. The Liberty has had excellent reliability, but is heavy on the fuel.

Subaru have definitely dropped the ball with the styling, interior quality, technology more recently. The current Liberty - horrible!

[Mountainman]

Some people are just stupid eh (suckered in by advertising and brand) ....
I was one of those customers,

Whatever..... the world according to the Candyman

[Candyman]

Subaru have definitely dropped the ball with the styling, interior quality, technology more recently. The current Liberty - horrible!

Which is why I stayed with VW (well, that and the offer of the R)

The DSG scares some off but I love it. Definately get an extended warranty though although VW are pretty good at goodwill repairs after warranty on this item.

[Ideo]

My parents swear by Subarus. And they work perfectly for their needs.

Unlike a Tiguan they are actually usable for light off road work (better AWD system mainly) and are super reliable.

It's not hype and marketing. If anything, I would say that the label of hype and marketing is better aimed at VW.

[Candyman]

I used to swear by Subaru Forester

Times change.

Purely back on topic, I'd still rather be in my R than the STI (which we considered) on my 400-500 km weekly commute and interstate trips.

Only my opinion of-course.

[Ideo]

Your experience wasn't so good.

No reason to declare them bad cars when the vast majority are pretty damn reliable and are continually shown as such in customer satisfaction surveys.

No Liberty is not a particulary nice looking car, granted, but all experiences I have to date have shown them to be very well made cars.

97 Liberty AWD that has been in the familiy since new has ticked up 360,000. Original engine, gearbox etc etc. One replaced CD player, slow left rear power window and 2 clutch replacements, as well as standard servicing. I don't think that is too shabby at all. Also have an 04 Outback that has just ticked over 220. One clutch on it is the only issue.

[KRA21E]

Damn straight, I loved my Gen iV , they screwed up the Gen V damn americans..

Anyway they chased me to the Euros so I have something to thank them for


Was helping Mark from Recode today datalog a Stage 3 R.. Mother of god.. I so want a tune..

Hahahaha, hey old man, i thought you didn't want to add a 'Tune" to your car???

[Candyman]

Your experience wasn't so good.

Actually, my Forester XT was not a bad experience overall, just that the GTI and R were and are so much better, even with their faults.

The Forester at least had some multipurpose function about it and that is why I bought it. The auto was crap though, ancient (and hasn't changed much in the current model)

Comparing the R to the STI or a GTI to a WRX (new models), I'd go with VW every time.

The Forester 2.0L engine was notoriously bad. The 2.5L was an improvement. However, the plastics were cheap , design was fugly on all except the previous model Liberty, drivetrain, gearboxes and mechanicals virtually unchanged for many years. They were good but it needs more than that to want to keep buying new ones.

Plenty of Falcodores as Taxis that turn over 200-300,000 kms as well, doesn't mean I would ever buy one for myself (although had plenty as company cars that were bulletproof plus three Subies, although two of them were dogs)

As for customer satisfaction surveys, please, as worthless as tits on a bull. The customer niche for most Subaru's is well known. I was there once, no longer.

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Hahahaha, hey old man, i thought you didn't want to add a 'Tune" to your car???

I started saying the same thing ....I managed to get through three years with the GTI without touching it but the lure of a tune on the R is much much stronger