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[decksla]

im not sold on the looks of the new r20 tbh.

i cant get the "toureg" bum image out of my head.

im sure the 4wd and slight performance increase will make up for it, but i still think the mk5 is better looking.....

....much the same way i think the mk3 looks better than the mk5

[Sharkie]

im sure the 4wd and slight performance increase will make up for it,

....much the same way i think the mk3 looks better than the mk5

Slight performance increase ????? Mate, it should be a huge performance increase .... MK5 GTI 0-100km/h 7s (averaged DSG & man) R20T 0-100km.h 5.7s (using S3 figures which is less powerful)

And I agree Mk3 is better looking than Mk5

[Sharkie]

The R20T could be close than we think. Drive had an article online yesterday. Stating as much as 210kw and more importantly .... debut in October at Frankfurt with European deliveries starting late 2009 ....

They estimate Australian deliveries to start early 2010 ....

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...igbrotherspied

I'm barely going to have time to sort the Tiguan out before the R20 arrives at my door

[limmy]

Slight performance increase ????? Mate, it should be a huge performance increase .... MK5 GTI 0-100km/h 7s (averaged DSG & man) R20T 0-100km.h 5.7s (using S3 figures which is less powerful)

And I agree Mk3 is better looking than Mk5

plus S3 figures is based on manual...so you can safely say DSG will be quicker too...

[Corey_R]

plus S3 figures is based on manual...so you can safely say DSG will be quicker too...

I'm not sure it will be. When the DSG first came out all the specs said it was quicker, better fuel consumption, lower CO2 etc. But now for the MK6 the DSG offers only the same or slightly worse acceleration, worse fuel consumption and worse CO2.

The UK specs for the GTI for example are:
6.9sec 0-62mph, 7.3 L/100km, 170g/km
6.9sec 0-62mph, 7.4 L/100km, 173g/km

[Sharkie]

plus S3 figures is based on manual...so you can safely say DSG will be quicker too...

Not necessarily..... VW have always made big performance noises about DSG being quicker than a manual. And it does change gears quicker than a manual and in VW's tests .... starting the clock when the car starts moving it has been quicker ....

HOWEVER when VW took the press to a drag strip to "prove" their claims the manuals beat the DSGs over the qrtr every single time ........ (I can provide a link to the press report on this)

That bit of lag (and the press still reports on this in every test and I experienced it on a recent testdrive of the Q5) of a DSG upon pull-off when the lights turn green means the manual is gone ......

SO timed against the clock from when movement starts ... yes a DSG is quicker

BUT timed on a drag strip, the manuals still beat the DSGs .... PROVIDED the driver knows what he is doing as the DSG allows even tools to shift quickly

Either way, I'm comfortable that the R20T/whatever will do it in a time around 5.7s ... ... and that is before I let the tuners near it .....

[pologti18t]

FSI = Direct Injection normally aspirated.

TSI = the new range of turbo, turbo+supercharged engines.

[gregozedobe]

FSI = Direct Injection normally aspirated.

TSI = the new range of turbo, turbo+supercharged engines.

And if they ever put a straight supercharged motor (a la Audi's latest V6) into a Golf, then it will probably also have a TSI badge, just to keep the marketing boffins happy

[hokenmk3]

And if they ever put a straight supercharged motor (a la Audi's latest V6) into a Golf, then it will probably also have a TSI badge, just to keep the marketing boffins happy

The letters F, T, S and I have specific meanings. I have explained them in this thread. The 1.4 GT has a turbo motor. The supercharger is like the first turbo in a twin turbo and only for reducing turbo lag and helping an earlier spool up. It is a "twin charger" system. If a VW had a supercharger and no turbocharger, it wouldn't get the T. VW don't flippantly throw letters and numbers together like bimmer does. They are intended to inform the buyer of which technologies the vehicles possess. Knowing what a boffin is might help one's fear of acronyms.

[limmy]

sharkie - would be interested to see this link you speak of. did they use launch control?

my point being - i still think the R20 will be quicker than the current S3.

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HOWEVER when VW took the press to a drag strip to "prove" their claims the manuals beat the DSGs over the qrtr every single time ........ (I can provide a link to the press report on this)