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You can spend $20 000 on upgrading the power of the GTI and it will still be slower than the R ...... anybody who thinks different is just fooling themselves. Common to underestimate the value of AWD in a turbo car .....
GTI has the new TSI engine .... R has the old TFSI as in the S3/TTS/Pirelli, they are actually completely different engines now. I have no idea when a 200kw TSI version will be available .... I'd say keep an eye on Audi to see when a new top of the range TSI engine comes out.
As I said, a modified GTI w/ Stage II for example will be a worthy performer to the R, not smash it out of the park. :)
I am a true believer in AWD.. :)
Nope, drove a Stg3 GTI and a stock S3 (same as the upcoming R) is still quicker off the line .... Too much power in a FWD = no traction ..... (unless you spend many $$$ modifying the suspension setup)Quote:
Originally Posted by elisiX
Have a look at the recent Motor Tuner shootout .... Stg3 GTI in the hands of an average driver is slower than a S3 in the hands of the same driver (Morley):eek:
On my Mk1(300kw+) I spent 6 months on the suspension alone, trying different settings to get to a decent quartermile time. Dropped from 12.9 to 12.3s in that 6 months without adding any more power ..... spent more than $20K on suspension during that 6 months as well.
You'd be spending more money on getting the GTI to keep up with a stock R than what the difference between them RRP would be......:rolleyes:
Then the R driver would spend $2K on a chip alone and likely be under 5s 0-100 ..... :cool:
Yeah, I agree with Sharkie on this one. 0 to 100 times the Golf R and S3 are going to beat the GTI, as with 400m times.
I think that this time around it's an entirely different situation to the MKV GTI vs R32. The R32 had an old, lazy, heavy motor. It was naturally aspirated, so 'tuning options' were very minor unless you went with the very expensive turbo conversion. The R32's 0 to 100 times were also nowhere near what the new Golf R's times are, so a good driver in a Stage I/II GTI could keep up on acceleration with an R32 driver, and then be competitive (even faster) on corners also due to the 200kg lower weight of the GTI vs R32 etc.
But this has changed for the MK6. The Golf R is 0 to 100 in 5.5 seconds vs 6.9 of the GTI. Even if you do a stage II on the GTI and get that to 6 seconds, you're still going to be nowhere near the R's times, especially after doing the ECU on the R.
Then there is the fact that the R has the 2L motor and it's only about 125kg heavier than the GTI, so it doesn't have as much as a weight disadvantage for the corners that the R32 had.
Summary. Golf R is where it's at :)
Guy's I'm not arguing with you. :lol:
Not once did I say the GTI will beat the R... with or without Stage II.
All I am saying is that it will be a worthy performer. That's it.
Now I wonder what insurance will be like on the R? :)
There's no doubt the Golf R or S3 is better than the GTI. AWD is a no brainer for traction but the GTI remains as great bang for buck (before adding options).
People will normally defend their purchase and I still think the R32 is better than GTI overall (power isn't the only criteria otherwise i would have got something else). Stock for stock its faster and the R32 is more unique and desirable. The resale values of all cars are pretty bad recently but i didn't want a GTI as i knew there would be so many of them around and that's been reflected by the MK5 GTI's come time to sell.
Having said that a Scirocco R or Golf R would be in my sights next purchase.
Insurance wasn't any different when i got a quote: R32/S3 was $900-$1000 Rating 1,+25yo BNE.
I don't think i'd get it (def not on an R), the Haldex Gen IV should do the trick and it sounded like the XDS limits the power being put down with the electronic throttle (taking away some of the fun or control??).Quote:
Originally Posted by elisiX
Been quoted $1200 for the MKVI GTI @ Market and $1900 for a new S3.
27yo R1 Sydney. :)
that reminded me- last week walking home from train station (Sydenham if anyone cares) I noticed 2 golf VI variants driving along in the space of 2 blocks...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spook
Never ever seen one on Aussie roads before- then 2 in 15 seconds.
What the??
Oh and- why the heck don't we get a crack at the scirocco!!!
Trouble is, the S3 must have some sort of torque or rev limiter in first gear too. When I had the S3 on the skidpan, even with ESP double switched off, I couldn't get any initial wheel spin, the car would just bog down.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-rig
Was awesome fun powersliding out of corners though (eve if you had to induce oversteer with the handbrake, haha).
Ah - so the variants have landed! GTIs were spotted plying Sydney streets about a couple of weeks before the official launch date if I recall correctly. Probably some press evaluation vehicles zipping around.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariusGT