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[decksla]

im not sold on the looks of the new r20 tbh.

i cant get the "toureg" bum image out of my head.

im sure the 4wd and slight performance increase will make up for it, but i still think the mk5 is better looking.....

....much the same way i think the mk3 looks better than the mk5

[dasauto]

Maybe VW are going to follow BMW's lead. The last 2 digits of a BMW's model badge used to denote the engine capacity, but once they started to turbocharge their engines it now denotes "power level" or somesuch, so IIRC it goes something like this :

328 = 3.0l NA (some power)
335 = 3.0l single turbo (lots of power)
340 = 3.0l twin turbo (lots & lots of power)

335 is twin turbo
340 may possibly be a figment of your imagination

the last two digits refer to displacement/100, I believe this is still the case, but exceptions exist.

[Sharkie]

im sure the 4wd and slight performance increase will make up for it,

....much the same way i think the mk3 looks better than the mk5

Slight performance increase ????? Mate, it should be a huge performance increase .... MK5 GTI 0-100km/h 7s (averaged DSG & man) R20T 0-100km.h 5.7s (using S3 figures which is less powerful)

And I agree Mk3 is better looking than Mk5

[Sharkie]

The R20T could be close than we think. Drive had an article online yesterday. Stating as much as 210kw and more importantly .... debut in October at Frankfurt with European deliveries starting late 2009 ....

They estimate Australian deliveries to start early 2010 ....

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...igbrotherspied

I'm barely going to have time to sort the Tiguan out before the R20 arrives at my door

[gregozedobe]

dasauto, you must have missed reading the bit where I qualified what I said 3 times :

"power level" or somesuch, so IIRC it goes something like this :

the last two digits refer to displacement/100, I believe this is still the case, but exceptions exist.

They certainly do, and seeing as you wanted to be pedantic, I did a quick search (just for your education ), and look what I found for recent 6 cyl BMW 3 series cars:

323i 2.5 litre
325i 3.0 litre
328i 3.0 litre
330i 3.0 litre
335i 3.0 litre

So out of five models, only ONE had the actual capacity/100 on the bootlid, but FOUR were different (that seems more like a rule than an exception to me )

I think I may have proved my point, so if you want to continue this "discussion" please do it via PM so we don't clog up this VW thread any further.

[Sharkie]

In the past BMW's badges always reflected the engine size. (I've had 5 so I know).

These days it purely is to differentiate between the different models in a range.

The BMW 3.0 engine now exists in various states of tune and thus we have currently in the 3 series around the world (not all of them in Oz) the 325i, 328i, 330i (actually a different engine to the other 3 & still sold around the world) and the 335i (twin turbo, no single turbo version exists)

This is the same principle as VW these days that sell the 2.0 TFSI in versions 125kw, 147kw, 155kw, 169kw, 195kw (188 in Oz) & 200kw around the world.

[gregozedobe]

VW are also playing silly buggers with engine badges these days (when they bother to put them on).

The TSI badge used to mean a petrol engine with a Turbo AND a Supercharger (ie 1.4 Golf GT), but these days it only seems to mean petrol and turbo (mostly without a supercharger as well, but some with).

TDI badges have their own secret codes too. The general principle is the more red letters the more powerful the engine. So an engine with silver TD and a red I is more powerful than one with all silver TDI, but one with all red TDI is more powerful again (guess what colours the letters of my TDI are ? )

[sixfootchoc]

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...eID=62112&vf=2

Anyone seen this?

[Lima]

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...eID=62112&vf=2

Anyone seen this?

About 2 weeks ago in this very thread...
http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newf...852#post303852

[hokenmk3]

The TSI badge used to mean a petrol engine with a Turbo AND a Supercharger (ie 1.4 Golf GT), but these days it only seems to mean petrol and turbo (mostly without a supercharger as well, but some with).

the SI refers to throttle plates in the intake manifold which move to change the flow of the air in the intake manifold independant of the position of the actual throttle body. They improve fuel economy and torque at constant velocity in small engines. I don't know what the S and I actually stand for but I imagine it would be something along the lines of Smart Intake. Superchargers have nothing to do with it. The F is when the throttle plates are further forward in the intake manifold and the T does indeed mean turbo.
FSI, TSI, TFSI.