Golf R 3 door/5 door speculation/information thread

[Corey_R]

This post shows some hard data of times between R32 and Golf R: VW Driver Performance Comparison: Mk 6 R vs Mk 5 R32

Well at least that this shows that people are in fact able to meet and EXCEED VW's claimed acceleration times on the Golf R. That contradicts all your other stuff about the R being slow to accelerate.

[elisiX]

lol how can anyone think the R is slow. jeez.

Not even the GTI is slow.

Hell.. the Mazda SP23 i've been driving for 2.5 years isn't 'slow'.

[nau]

lol how can anyone think the R is slow. jeez.

Not even the GTI is slow.

dont think he means slow, more like feels slow
I have to say GTI feels slower then my old golf4 .... until you look at the speedo lol
I guess its all the noise isolation

[sabloke]

haha you cant play the reliability card when comparing them to VWs.
The rs clio is a solid fun package however you look at it.

That's exactly right. Apparently quality improved since Renault got some Nissan genes in the mix. On the other hand, VW's quality levels seem to go down for some reason. Perhaps they're trying to become the new Toyota and rule the auto world, dunno... I've got friends in Europe that are not impressed at all with their efforts in the last 5-7 years.
There's one more thing: Renault's warranty covers track days as well! Try telling your VAG dealer you broke something on your GTI or R last Sunday at Mallala, see what happens

[WhiteJames]

Many of the articles posted on this thread conflict to a degree; esp. for weights, times and the need for DCC or 19 wheels, etc.

Acceleration times for all vehicles – Golf R, R32 and GTI – are faster than the norm on that schedule. Further down the r_form.co.uk post someone indicates that the GTI clocked 6.3 secs to 60mph.

More to the point: check out the in gear ‘rolling’ response times. The Golf R starts off 0.4 secs faster than the R32, probably because the turbo is spooled up to a higher degree in the lower gear. The R32 bridges this gap to between zero to 0.2 secs slower in the higher gears with its V6 responsiveness. This echoes what I have been saying in terms of real life performance R32 –v- Golf R. . Turbo lag of the Golf R sees it slip further behind, esp. in the higher gear ratios.

My neighbour has made some enquiries with Pickles Prestige Auctions re: Sale of R32. They say if he sells soon and before his R32 reaches 30,000km, he should expect $42,000 or more for the R32 as they have been fetching good money. The R32 and Golf R are more exclusive, this is a good selling point over the myriad of GTI on the second hand market.

Cheers.
WJ

[Sharkie]

Another reason to be hesitant to commit to the R .....

Golf MK6 production scheduled to end end 2011 and MK7 production scheduled to start in 2012 ..... see worldcarfans.com for spy pics of the Mk7 doing 'Ring testing .....

Buy a new R in June and you'd have it for 18 months before a new model Golf is out .... I'd be (and am) very hesitant to buy a $60K car only to have it "old" in 18 months time ....

[WhiteJames]

Read an article indicating that due to the favourable reviews and awards given to the Mark 6 Golf, Volkswagen will delay the introduction of the MK7 Golf for 8 months. The MK7 will be wider and @ 20% cheaper to build. The MK6 Golf was purposely made to look wider to bridge the gap of evolution between MK5 and MK7.

On a positive note re: r_forum.co.uk schedule ... the fuel consumption of the Golf R was better than the R32 ... 10 -v- 12 litres / 100km.

Cheers.
WJ

[Corey_R]

Another reason to be hesitant to commit to the R .....

Golf MK6 production scheduled to end end 2011 and MK7 production scheduled to start in 2012 ..... see worldcarfans.com for spy pics of the Mk7 doing 'Ring testing .....

Buy a new R in June and you'd have it for 18 months before a new model Golf is out .... I'd be (and am) very hesitant to buy a $60K car only to have it "old" in 18 months time ....

Yeah - I mentioned this a few months ago in this thread.
The thing is, that if you buy an Audi S3 new, you will pay more, have an older car from day 1, and it too will be superseeded in 2012 along with the Golf MK7 refresh.

Both the R and S3 are obviously the last of their respective series to appear though. Plus, if WhiteJames is correct and the MK7 has been delayed by 8 months, then the new A3 will be out first (unless this delay also affects the A3).

135 is in the same situation - replacement in 2011/12...

[trueman]

Yeah - I mentioned this a few months ago in this thread.
The thing is, that if you buy an Audi S3 new, you will pay more, have an older car from day 1, and it too will be superseeded in 2012 along with the Golf MK7 refresh.

Both the R and S3 are obviously the last of their respective series to appear though. Plus, if WhiteJames is correct and the MK7 has been delayed by 8 months, then the new A3 will be out first (unless this delay also affects the A3).

135 is in the same situation - replacement in 2011/12...

Damn
I will cancel my order and get in line for MK7 or even 8 before I die

[AdamD]

Buy a new R in June and you'd have it for 18 months before a new model Golf is out .... I'd be (and am) very hesitant to buy a $60K car only to have it "old" in 18 months time ....

The MkVII may be released in 2012 in Europe, but if the MkVI release schedule is anything to go by, you can expect to add another ~18 months on top of that before the R replacement hits Australia. That gives the MkVI R a lifespan of around three years (without taking any launch delays into account).

I would suggest that if you're looking at the R and are concerned about its lifespan, consider the car on its merits today - it will be as cracking a drive in three years as it is right now. If in three years time your standards will have changed, then trade up. It won't make the MkVI R any less of a great car. The only factor that should strongly influence your decision is that of depreciation, and that's affected by the length of time you keep your car, and how you care for it.

FWIW, I don't really mind that the MKVI has a short lifespan; I plan on keeping my GTI for at least five years anyway, and think it looks fresh now and will remain so for years to come. Don't forget also that a shorter lifespan (theoretically) equals fewer models sold over that period, which means a less common model; depending on how you perceive the fluid in your glass in this case, a less common model equates to greater exclusivity.