Golf 77TSI Details, Observations and Questions

**FJ Steve** · 29-09-2010, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by ratedr

The truth is out there.. Golf R's now officially suck.

what authority are you quoting/basing this on?

**ratedr** · 29-09-2010, 05:26 PM

Am I seriously only the one that thinks this tarnishes the image of the 'Golf' ?? The R looks so indifferent from the rest of the model range... It's not so hot anymore!

If anything, at least Toyota are giving their new hot hatch a Lexus label. Much better than an overpriced Corolla. I am sure the tech on this upcoming model will far outstrip the bare bone R. R doesn't even have start/stop, memory seats, adaptive cruise control or standard bluetooth!?! The interior does little to stir enthusiasm.. It's all about the engine, AWD and handling dynamics.. But $40k for it? I think not. It's a go kart.

Driven a Lexus GS460? 2nd hand (2-3 years old) for the same money. 0-100 in less than 5 seconds and the tech is lightyears ahead of the vintage Golf.. V8 with same economy as the R.. I personally love how it hands you the steering wheel when you press the start button. That is $60k worth. New, they were $140k. Their resales suck, but take advantage! Just as expensive as a Golf R to run and maintain..

The R32 had the edge in being V6, it clearly seperated it from the pack... The R is just another turbo in the range.. I don't think it will hold value as well as R32.. And who is a fool that does not factor in resale?

Feel free to criticise.. I want to hear your views!

**FJ Steve** · 29-09-2010, 05:34 PM

so...what's your username gonna be now?

Toyotataxi?

**Rob Burns** · 29-09-2010, 05:44 PM

Unless 'Volkswagen' has changed meaning over the years I'm pretty sure it still translates to 'people's car'. A little silly to be elitist when you own a German Corolla no matter what is under the bonnet.

**pologti18t** · 29-09-2010, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by ratedr

Am I seriously only the one that thinks this tarnishes the image of the 'Golf' ?? The R looks so indifferent from the rest of the model range... It's not so hot anymore!

If anything, at least Toyota are giving their new hot hatch a Lexus label. Much better than an overpriced Corolla. I am sure the tech on this upcoming model will far outstrip the bare bone R. R doesn't even have start/stop, memory seats, adaptive cruise control or standard bluetooth!?! The interior does little to stir enthusiasm.. It's all about the engine, AWD and handling dynamics.. But $40k for it? I think not. It's a go kart.

Driven a Lexus GS460? 2nd hand (2-3 years old) for the same money. 0-100 in less than 5 seconds and the tech is lightyears ahead of the vintage Golf.. V8 with same economy as the R.. I personally love how it hands you the steering wheel when you press the start button. That is $60k worth. New, they were $140k. Their resales suck, but take advantage! Just as expensive as a Golf R to run and maintain..

The R32 had the edge in being V6, it clearly seperated it from the pack... The R is just another turbo in the range.. I don't think it will hold value as well as R32.. And who is a fool that does not factor in resale?

Feel free to criticise.. I want to hear your views!

I have no idea how to counter your "logic"

Most luxo barges have poor resale value - doesn't matter if its a Audi, Merc or Lexus. You can buy any secondhand luxo barge for a huge discount on the new car price. So what if you can buy a secondhand GS430 for 60K. I can buy a secondhand R32 for MUCH less than 60K. So what's your point?

VW has relatively good resale residuals simply because they combine european qualities with reasonable prices.
If you make a product that is both of high quality and of reasonable price then it will sell and the resale will be assured. I put forward the Mazda 3 as an example. It sells well, its a good drive and is reasonably priced. Resale on these things is amazing.

**ratedr** · 29-09-2010, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by pologti18t

I have no idea how to counter your "logic"

Most luxo barges have poor resale value - doesn't matter if its a Audi, Merc or Lexus. You can buy any secondhand luxo barge for a huge discount on the new car price. So what if you can buy a secondhand GS430 for 60K. I can buy a secondhand R32 for MUCH less than 60K. So what's your point?

VW has relatively good resale residuals simply because they combine european qualities with reasonable prices.
If you make a product that is both of high quality and of reasonable price then it will sell and the resale will be assured. I put forward the Mazda 3 as an well, its a good drive and is reasonably priced. Resale on these things is amazing.

You drive a polo?? Definition of **** on a stick

**pologti18t** · 29-09-2010, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by ratedr

You drive a polo?? Definition of **** on a stick

That's your opinion

Does the job.

**phaeton** · 29-09-2010, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by ratedr

Am I seriously only the one that thinks this tarnishes the image of the 'Golf' ?? The R looks so indifferent from the rest of the model range... It's not so hot anymore!

You could buy the Audi S3 if you want prestige.

The Golf is the benchmark in its class for a reason the tech, safety, value & name have sold in every class - basically its classless.

From someone buying their first car to a Professional buying a Golf R it reaches all price pockets just like a Commodore to HSV.

In fact VW are one of the only brands which is moving upper class while everyone is moving down Lexus, Mercedes, BMW & Land Rover are just some examples.

**markwid** · 29-09-2010, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by ratedr

Am I seriously only the one that thinks this tarnishes the image of the 'Golf' ?? The R looks so indifferent from the rest of the model range... It's not so hot anymore!

Fair enough - everyone is entitled to their opinion.

That said, I am sure there is a positive angle to this too. Some may appreciate the fact that R looks discreet. It doesn't draw the wrong kind of attention from the "popo" at one glance.