DSG: Problems, Questions, Likes and Dislikes

**minke** · 20-05-2013, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Rawcpoppa

Vw has a reliable dsg already. The 6 speed wet clutch one doesn't have half the complaints of the dq200.

Can't be that good. Audi's new R8 V10 Plus uses the same duel clutch gearbox as in the Nissan GTR thus shunning their own unit from the VAG parts bin.

**Rawcpoppa** · 20-05-2013, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by minke

Can't be that good. Audi's new R8 V10 Plus uses the same duel clutch gearbox as in the Nissan GTR thus shunning their own unit from the VAG parts bin.

That doesn't mean it is unreliable. It simply means that engine exceeds the max torque ability of the dq250.

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**ziggyboy** · 21-05-2013, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by minke

Wonder when VW started the DSG development and how much testing and real life usage it faced before being released to Joe Public.

LOL. Based on that manual page shot, it appears as though they have actually done a lot of testing. They just haven't offered a fix for it. It read to me like.... "OK we have tested the DSG, it overheats in start stop traffic. This page is just an FYI. It happens. Tough luck. Live with it."

**watevs** · 21-05-2013, 10:34 AM

So I am about to purchase a 2nd hand Golf GTI, kinda nervous considering all the bad posts I've read.

Just for my information, how much does it cost to replace the mechatronics out of warranty if it does need changing.

"fingers crossed" it doesn't.

**Rawcpoppa** · 21-05-2013, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by watevs

So I am about to purchase a 2nd hand Golf GTI, kinda nervous considering all the bad posts I've read.

Just for my information, how much does it cost to replace the mechatronics out of warranty if it does need changing.

"fingers crossed" it doesn't.

Others can correct me if I am wrong but I don't think you have to worry as much as others with the 7 speed dsg have to. The gti uses the 6 speed dsg and it seems to be a lot more reliable than the transmission this thread is full of.

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**ptR** · 21-05-2013, 08:05 PM

thanks for this thread. ive decied to go for Manual.

**pologti18t** · 25-05-2013, 05:08 AM

Does anyone really do a DSG that can compare in low speed smoothness to a torque converter auto?
Go to about 6:30 in this review of the Nissan GTR. The clunks and low speed response seems worse than a VAG gearbox

**ParaBul** · 01-06-2013, 02:02 PM

I've posted once or twice about my 6 speed DSG (in a GTD) losing drive. Typically when slowing down under light braking, often a turn seems to be involved, and I believe that driving in M (as I normally do) and not actively downshifting is also a factor.

After my first service last year, when VW couldn't find an issue and asked me to tell them what makes it happen, I had two occurrences, then nothing until this week. Previously I've noticed that to get drive back I had to tap the downshift paddle twice, and it would grab one gear lower than had been displayed (i.e. no drive with 3rd displayed, two downshifts would grab 2nd). This week, on both occasions, I floored and released the accelerator, to trigger a downshift. On both occasions, the car grabbed two gears lower (indicated 3rd, went to first, or indicated 4th and went to 2nd).

I'm still no closer to being able to replicate the fault on demand, but this info might help somebody else?

**heyimsu** · 06-06-2013, 11:07 AM

Are the issues with the 7-speed gearboxes or across the board? I've got a GTI and they are equipped with a 6-speed. The lower end Golf models, Polos, Tiguans run the 7-speed gearbox.

**AdamD** · 06-06-2013, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by heyimsu

Are the issues with the 7-speed gearboxes or across the board? I've got a GTI and they are equipped with a 6-speed. The lower end Golf models, Polos, Tiguans run the 7-speed gearbox.

What issues are you referring to?

The current issues in the press related to overseas recalls in China and Japan are all focused on the DQ200 - the dry-clutch 7-speed low-torque DSG found in Polos and Golfs. The clutch pack problems are limited to the DQ200 only.

There have been mechatronic failures and occasional false neutrals in the DQ250 6-speed wet clutch DSG, as found in Golf GTIs and Rs, as well as many other VWs, although these failures are significantly less common these days than they used to be.

The Tiguans equipped with a 7-speed DSG do not use the DQ200 dry-clutch, but the newer DQ500 high-torque 7-speed wet clutch DSG. This one isn't perfect either, but like the DQ250 (at least those built more recently - say in the last 3-5 years), is less prone to issues.