DSG: Problems, Questions, Likes and Dislikes

[SMOK3Y]

good post Ryan41

[wai]

So what the **** is the manual mode for in the dsg?

I suppose because it is not technically a manual mode. It is a mode where you can select gears manually but (the important but) with controller override to prevent damage or loss of drivability should the driver select the incorrect gear and, from all the parameters, expect a level of performance that the controller believes requires a different gear based on its programming.

Manufacturers have to do this to prevent claims against it and to protect the driver from him/herself. It is one thing if you select the wrong gear in a full manual gearbox. You selected it and it is your fault because it is a direct mechanical linkage between the selector and the gearbox.

The situation with a DGS type gearbox is that the gearbox is controlled by "software". There is no direct linkage between the selector and the gearbox. In a DGS, the selector merely sends a request for a particular gear should all other parameters be acceptable. If they are not, then programming takes over.

This is why others have said that if you want a manual where you are in total control no matter what, then you need to choose a manual.

[Capercat]

So what the **** is the manual mode for in the dsg?

Haha I couldn't stop laughing. It's to sucker husbands into buying a compromise to keep the wife happy, works a treat!

[Capercat]

The situation with a DGS type gearbox is that the gearbox is controlled by "software". There is no direct linkage between the selector and the gearbox. In a DGS, the selector merely sends a request for a particular gear should all other parameters be acceptable. If they are not, then programming takes over.

This is why others have said that if you want a manual where you are in total control no matter what, then you need to choose a manual.

Well said wai

[Corey_R]

This thread is just getting out of control. Everyone coming in with their "opinions", which whilst they might be valid opinion for them, when you start applying it to answering other peoples questions/problems, it's not helpful.

wai, your post is incorrect. It IS a manual mode. If the user decides to not read his manual, and not take the advice of the people who have read their manuals, then it's his/her problem when they cannot drive it properly.
If you select M it will keep the gear that you want, with 3 noteable exceptions:
1) The revs drop so low that the car would stall, so the mechatronics shifts down for you.
2) The revs go too far into the redline, so the mechatronics shifts up for you
3) You push your foot past the 100% throttle resistence point and you press the kick-down switch and the car will shift down a gear or two.


Can we please keep the pointless DSG vs Traditional Manual argument out of this thread please.

[MkVIGTI]

There's talk on VWVortex about an ECM software update that fixes the low speed lurching on the 6-speed DSG (TSB NUMBER: 2011690/3 35-11-01). Is this available in OZ?

VWVortex.com - DSG-TDI Updates

I went into my dealer and he said that my software was current. I also had a read into the thread and it seems that this "update" is merely a reset. I have no problems with my DSG so I guess I'll just leave it as it it.

[MkVIGTI]

Think I must be missing something, or my car is faulty..... I have a my11 golf gti and the "manual" mode is anything but manual. If you stick it in 3rd or 4th between 2 to 3K rpm and floor it, what happens? Mine thinks to itself, this guy is nuts, I know better, lets select second, and of it goes. In my case it seems more like a "I would prefer" mode than anything like a manual. This is a shame cause my wife wanted an automatic and I wanted a manual. She seems to have done ok, but I am definetly not happy. Having said that it is a very good automatic, but the way I read other member's comments I expected a proper manual transmission with an automatic clutch.

With the engine off, try and press down the accelerator slowly to the full throttle position, then press further. You should feel the kickdown switch there. You can put the DSG in manual mode and floor it, as long as you don't go past the 100% throttle position and engage the kickdown switch, it will stay in the current gear. I'm new to DSG and the manual mode helped me find this kickdown switch.

[Capercat]

wai, your post is incorrect.
If you select M it will keep the gear that you want, with 3 noteable exceptions:
1) The revs drop so low that the car would stall, so the mechatronics shifts down for you.
2) The revs go too far into the redline, so the mechatronics shifts up for you
3) You push your foot past the 100% throttle resistence point and you press the kick-down switch and the car will shift down a gear or two

You've proved that wai's post is indeed correct. He was simply making the point that there was no direct linkage between the selector, reading the user manual does not change this fact.
Question: has anyone tried clutch starting a DSG?

[Corey_R]

Capercat, I don't want to get into the discussion with you mate. I'm well aware of what the DSG is. Coming in here with "opinions" to attempt to answer a person's question is not helpful. All it's doing is confusing the issue and causing the question to be asked again because the guy doesn't think anyone knows what he's talking about. An actual correct answer has been said 3 times now in the last few pages....

As for clutch starting... there is no clutch pedal... and the owners manual specifically warns against attempting a clutch start.

[Candyman]

I have not had to clutch start a car for more than 30 years

Mind you, I keep my vehicles in good working order and if **** did happen I would fall back on VWs excellent roadside assistance