DSG: Problems, Questions, Likes and Dislikes

**Mk6 Golf** · 07-03-2010, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by paulcito

Just wanted to start a thread for any DSG owners out there who wish to vent their likes/dislikes/frustration...

My two bobs worth - I love the DSG.

I drive a Golf 103TDI and find the turbo diesel kicks in beautifully and the gear changes, in both standard ("D") and sports ("S") mode, are very smooth, up and down. When I put my foot down, she just kicks down very nicely and takes off like a little rocket. My car has just over 15,000 km on the clock.

Although I've only owned it a few weeks (i.e. was a dealer demo) I think the DSG is one of "the best" parts of my new car. One feature I like (so I read somewhere) is the ability for the transmission to automatically skip gears smoothly, so it can go from 6th to 2nd (when I slow down) very nicely and timed "just right".

Just my opinion anyway!

**Maverick** · 07-03-2010, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by G-rig

I agree with sharkie, If you are after the fastest 0-100 times get DSG and do the DSG hardware and software upgrades (not just a giac flash), just like the MK5 turbo R32 has done as featured in Motor Mag. Otherwise 6MT can handle a bit more punishment.

Why get the DSG hardware and software upgrades when it's not required? It may be for higher output but we're only really talking clutches which can be done when the stock ones wear out but for stage 1,2 and even 3 it's not required on GTI's. There are heaps of high powered cars running stock DSG boxes without problems.

I would stick to manual in small motor cars, just like you wouldn't get auto as you lose power.

DSG gives better fuel economy, is faster, is easier in traffic and can be used in manual mode if required.

**starionx** · 07-03-2010, 04:04 PM

Pardon my ignorance, but faster gear changes for the DSG is really only going to be useful for 'racing' purposes. For the majority of people, we are talking about normal everyday commuting and being able to change gears in an instant, is pretty much useless. When I look at a car, the only thing I am interested in (speed wise), is in-gear acceleration (for over-taking).

That being said, the only benefit I can see of the DSG is that you don't have to physically change gears... and where's the fun in that?

**Corey_R** · 07-03-2010, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by G-rig

I would stick to manual in small motor cars, just like you wouldn't get auto as you lose power.

Who said you lose power due to a DSG?

Originally Posted by starionx

Pardon my ignorance, but faster gear changes for the DSG is really only going to be useful for 'racing' purposes. For the majority of people, we are talking about normal everyday commuting and being able to change gears in an instant, is pretty much useless. When I look at a car, the only thing I am interested in (speed wise), is in-gear acceleration (for over-taking).

That being said, the only benefit I can see of the DSG is that you don't have to physically change gears... and where's the fun in that?

You need to go drive one. The faster changes are amazing even in every day driving, because they make the drive so 'smooth' and power is for all intents and purposes 'smooth'.
There are MANY advantages to the DSG. Basically take most of the advantages of a traditional manual, and most of the advantage of an auto, whack them together, and you have the DSG.

**Mk6 Golf** · 07-03-2010, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by starionx

Pardon my ignorance, but faster gear changes for the DSG is really only going to be useful for 'racing' purposes. For the majority of people, we are talking about normal everyday commuting and being able to change gears in an instant, is pretty much useless. When I look at a car, the only thing I am interested in (speed wise), is in-gear acceleration (for over-taking). That being said, the only benefit I can see of the DSG is that you don't have to physically change gears... and where's the fun in that?

Have you driving a car with DSG transmission? I have and the experience is amazing, the acceleration is so smooth and (I feel) the DSG maximises the power to the wheel without having to manually use a clutch. Fast gear change is only one part of the DSG, IMO

**starionx** · 07-03-2010, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by coreying

You need to go drive one. The faster changes are amazing even in every day driving, because they make the drive so 'smooth' and power is for all intents and purposes 'smooth'.
There are MANY advantages to the DSG. Basically take most of the advantages of a traditional manual, and most of the advantage of an auto, whack them together, and you have the DSG.

I've only ever driven manuals. I work nights, so I don't drive in peak hour. I like changing gears. As for smoothness... meh... not a priority (I come from an RX-7 background). I am just trying to justify a $2-3000 extra expense for the DSG, and for me, I can't. To be honest, I currently drive a Mazda 6 mps (manual), and I love it... but I want a small hatch. I am looking at the GTI, but FWD doesn't thrill me (especially with all the ECU 'upgrades' available). I am waiting to see what 'flavours' the R20 comes in.

**G-rig** · 07-03-2010, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by coreying

Who said you lose power due to a DSG?

I meant you wouldn't buy an auto with a small capacity engine like the old autos..

DSG vs 6MT is all splitting hairs anyway, if you are in a heaps faster car it woudn't matter.

**Corey_R** · 07-03-2010, 04:49 PM

Oh, that makes sense G-rig.

And at starionx - go drive a GTI with the 6sp DSG, then come back and have this conversation. You can't understand how good the GTI with its FWD and 6sp DSG is having come from a Mazda background. Different level of engineering quality there

**stormshark** · 07-03-2010, 05:25 PM

DSG for the most part brilliant, but in my experience there remains a "Dangerous" element to it in terms of hesitation on take off and uncertainty.Please don't tell me i don't drive the car properly.I am considering a chip mainly to alleviate this.I would never pull out and accelerate in all circumstances that i would not question doing, in previous cars.

**G-rig** · 07-03-2010, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by stormshark

DSG for the most part brilliant, but in my experience there remains a "Dangerous" element to it in terms of hesitation on take off and uncertainty.Please don't tell me i don't drive the car properly.I am considering a chip mainly to alleviate this.I would never pull out and accelerate in all circumstances that i would not question doing, in previous cars.

That's true, my mate nearly got hit and the hesitation was an accident waiting to happen.

Hopefully htey have sorted it out with the MK6.