DSG in neutral

[Corey_R]

Does waiting 15 secs sound like an efficient way of doing it? i think not lol

Agreed... just correcting the information to say that it will put itself back

[entice]

Actually, some misinformation in this thread.
There is a difference between leaving it in D and in N when at a complete stop.
To see it, just switch the MFD to instantaneous consumption, and watch it drop when in N compared to in D.
I am not suggesting you do this all the time, just pointing out that there is a difference, and it's isnt in your head, with some imperical data....

[booya]

Actually, some misinformation in this thread.
There is a difference between leaving it in D and in N when at a complete stop.
To see it, just switch the MFD to instantaneous consumption, and watch it drop when in N compared to in D.
I am not suggesting you do this all the time, just pointing out that there is a difference, and it's isnt in your head, with some imperical data....

I agree more with this except that I get 0L/100km in drive at stop as well as neutral at stop. BUT.......on level ground in drive at stop, if I lift foot of the brake, the car actually moves a little like a bloody automatic!!!!! So does this mean there's still some torque there but the brakes are preventing it from moving forward? If so, its using fuel and wearing the brake pads???!!!!

Also, anyone find that since the paddles are there, theres no need for the manual stick shift to the left? Why would you want to use the gear stick when you got paddles?

[MurphyTheElf]

I agree more with this except that I get 0L/100km in drive at stop as well as neutral at stop. BUT.......on level ground in drive at stop, if I lift foot of the brake, the car actually moves a little like a bloody automatic!!!!! So does this mean there's still some torque there but the brakes are preventing it from moving forward? If so, its using fuel and wearing the brake pads???!!!!

Also, anyone find that since the paddles are there, theres no need for the manual stick shift to the left? Why would you want to use the gear stick when you got paddles?

I think you'll find the clutch disengages when the car is at rest and the foot on the brake. When you lift the brake, the transmission quickly engages 1st gear and starts to roll. You can feel it if you pay close attention.

I only use the manual shifter when I want to change gear mid corner and the paddle is at an awkward position due to the steering wheel angle. I often do this when accelerating from rest turning a corner. I know you aren't strictly supposed to do this in a race sense, but I'm not in a race, just a hurry. High revs in 1st gear is sometimes a little too aggressive for my liking, but I want to maintain the quick acceleration. It's a bit of an odd situation and only a personal preference, but I do it quite often. At speed, I hardly ever use the shifter - it's redundant and certainly not quicker than the paddles as others have questioned. In fact, there is slightly more play in the shifter so it would be ever so slightly slower. Milliseconds.

[Syd118TSI]

I think you'll find the clutch disengages when the car is at rest and the foot on the brake. When you lift the brake, the transmission quickly engages 1st gear and starts to roll. You can feel it if you pay close attention.

If it didn't do this you'd roll backwards if you were taking off from an incline, which I believe it doesn't do?

[Corey_R]

I agree more with this except that I get 0L/100km in drive at stop as well as neutral at stop.

You shouldn't be getting 0L/100km when the car is in neutral. The only way for that to occur is if the engine has stalled
When you're coasting too a stop, and the revs are still high enough, the motion of the car with the gears engaged to keep the engine turning without consuming any petrol. Once you get under a certain RPM the engine needs fuel again to keep it from stalling.
You can test this down a long hill. Don't use the accelerator and the fuel consumption will be 0. Put it into neutral and the fuel consumption will increase as the engine is idling.

If it didn't do this you'd roll backwards if you were taking off from an incline, which I believe it doesn't do?

No - the car uses the brakes to do this. If it realises it's on an incline, it'll keep the brakes applied for ~2 seconds after you've removed your foot to place it on the accelerator.

[MurphyTheElf]

You shouldn't be getting 0L/100km when the car is in neutral.

In fact, at rest with the car idling, your fuel economy is terrible. Since you are going zero distance yet still using fuel, no matter how little, the fuel economy in litres per 100km is effectively infinity (divide by zero). Which is why the MFD intelligently changes the measurement from litres per 100km to litres per hour.

[Corey_R]

yep, exactly.

[booya]

In fact, at rest with the car idling, your fuel economy is terrible. Since you are going zero distance yet still using fuel, no matter how little, the fuel economy in litres per 100km is effectively infinity (divide by zero). Which is why the MFD intelligently changes the measurement from litres per 100km to litres per hour.

But surely it takes more fuel to move a car than it does to keep one on but still?

[Corey_R]

yes... but it's moving....
If you're not moving, then you're not increasing the km, just the fuel used, hence as [b]Murphy[/b[ said, you're infinitely higher fuel consumption. Hence the change from L/100km to L/h