I haven't driven any 7 speed vehicles, but I've been happy with the performance of my 6 speed (other than some software issues, that (so far) have been more of an intrigue than a nuisance). I wonder how much of the difference between the vehicles is wet plate vs dry plate in the clutches?
Former owner of MY12 GTD with DSG
2008 MkV Volkswagen Golf R32 DSG
2005 MkV Volkswagen Golf 2.0 FSI Auto
Sold: 2015 8V Audi S3 Sedan Manual
Sold: 2010 MkVI Volkswagen Golf GTI DSG
If I had to buy again I'd defo be getting a 6spd DSG (GTI hopefully).
It depends on my mood. Peak hour traffic or if I have a passenger, I use "D". Light traffic or when I feel like a spirited drive, I use the paddles. That's what I love about the DSG - it changes the whole driving dynamic of the vehicle whenever you want it to, plus it actually performs like a proper sequential manual rather than a typical tiptronic torque converter auto. With the S2TPP paddles it also is great on the track too - two hands on the steering wheel at all times
The Audis have a stronger 7 speed DSG, and there's also a DQ500 used in the Tiguan. Both seem a lot less flaky than the dry 7 speeder used in the Polo GTI.
Comparing the 6 speed DSG in the GTR vs the 7 speed in the 997TT, I noticed that even with flat turbo torque curves, with the 6 speeder, I could get faster acceleration (with a closer stacked first 5 gears) and fuel economy (high 6th gear) but there's a very big gap between the 5th and 6th gears. The 997TT on the highway (with no cops around), pulled much stronger above 200km/h so on a long enough drag strip, it's noticeably faster
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I had a great opportunity to test the DSG vs Manual in like for like recently.
Picked up a MK6 DSG from a car yard, test drove it to test drive a MK6 manual. Having driven the new Polo GTI the previous week (cracking engine and a fun little car) the DSG novelty had worn off. I found that using the DSG in normal city driving was jerky and pointless. Through the corners it's fun, but I couldn't shake the feeling I was playing "Playstation". Getting into the manual was great, the gearbox is crisp despite the longish throw. So much more engaging and allows you to dive the car as a manual 100% of the time, without the lazy option.
I put my money where my mouth was and bought the manual.
Same conclusion for me. When I test drove the dsg, it was awesome for traffic light drags, but hopeless for anything else, with the car trying to change when you don't want it to. I have always driven manuals anyway...
The throw and ease of popping the manual R into each gear is so smooth and nice compared to my MY01 WRX, so that is a nice bonus, the clutch also doesn't require such a massive amount of pressure to operate.
It is true that mastering the efficient use of DSG is an experience that entails some experimentation and learning. But once this is achieved, it offers a rewarding driving experience which cannot really be directly compared to that which a clutch manual offers.
For me, the option of "D", "S" or "M" is the way to go. As I have said in previous posts, the DSG is smarter than me in selecting the right gear that suits a myriad of variables, but if I choose, I can take over. So it can be a leisurely urban car or an enthusiastic drivers' car.
Well said
The DSG and GTI/R are well suited.
Jack of all trades, master of none
I prefer that compromise given that our car is a daily driver
If it were a track only car, manual all the way but if that were the case, I wouldn't buy a Golf which by definition is a muddling compromise, I'd buy an Atom
Last edited by Candyman; 10-04-2012 at 07:52 AM.
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