Depress Clutch to Start - Manual cars

[brad]

font of info Corey

[MkVIGTI]

I know. I have had to turn the ignition back on and off when I have failed to remember this.

You can actually shift the gear lever from N to P when the engine is off actually, don't need to turn the engine back on.

[Corey_R]

You can actually shift the gear lever from N to P when the engine is off actually, don't need to turn the engine back on.

What you wrote here went against what I just wrote on the previous page. I wrote that based on my experience with a MKV GTI and from the info in the VAG "02E" gearbox information (6 speed wet clutch DSG in most peoples language!). Anyway, I had to go out so I tried this when I got back to work.

You're right, you can now move from N to P when the engine is off. From D to P inf act. The selector lever lock solenoid (same for both N and P) doesn't engage until you get to P (you can hear it engage if the windows are up and radio off). BUT, the car wouldn't let me take the key out of the ignition. The ignition key withdrawal lock solenoid is linked in with the DSG and its lever lock solenoid. When you stop your car, put your foot on the brake, put it in P, then turn off the ignition, all the sensors acknowledge the process has been done and you can take your key out. If the engine is turned off before it's in P, you can't remove your key.

I had to turn the ignition to "on" (but not start the engine) before I heard more "clicks" from the gearbox and was able to then turn the key all the way back and remove the key.

It makes me wonder if the engine (and ignition) is off, whether moving from D to P is actually doing anything in the gearbox. Presumably it's still not, as per my post and the original DSG publications, otherwise why not also let the key be removed? I guess by at least letting the operator move the selector to N or P that it means less stranded motorists calling VW road side assistance in a panic because they're not sure whether to restart the car when it's stuck in D.


Anyway, I guess all this DSG talk is getting off topic

[wai]

You can actually shift the gear lever from N to P when the engine is off actually, don't need to turn the engine back on.

Yes, but the the ignition key cannot be turned enough to release it from the lock until the ignition is turned back on with the transmission put into N or P, and then the key turned all the way off so that it can be removed from the lock.

[Corey_R]

that's what I just said

[MkVIGTI]

that's what I just said

Except shorter

[Mi16 Man]

Thx for all the comments and notes.....

Will still ask my dealer to bypass the setting.

Cheers
Stu

[brad]

Thx for all the comments and notes.....

Will still ask my dealer to bypass the setting.

Cheers
Stu

may as well try & piddle into a stiff Southerly for all the good it will do you

[wai]

Thx for all the comments and notes.....

Will still ask my dealer to bypass the setting.

Cheers
Stu

I knew there had to be a way around things.

I have seen posts where owners have fitted a remote starting system (to warm things up). Now the whole advantage of this is so that you don't have to be in the vehicle to start it.

So without Inspector Gadget legs, such a system must check for things like the gear selector position and the setting of the hand brake before it will remotely start the vehicle.

You may not want to pay for the remote start system, so all you would have to do is mimic what it does.

At least there is a way out.