7 speed dsg clutch life rating

[Transporter]

...and just for the record, I'm not blaming every driver for the DSG failure. What I have pointed out is, that you can overheat the dry clutches with a spirited driving even more than by driving the car normally. Actually if you drive in the heavy city traffic and also do a lot of take offs then you get the both ends of the extreme.

Here is the suggestion. When your DSG fails, ask your dealer (or remind them) to look carefully in the ECU, the never car is, more data ECU records about how the car is driven (more than 550 measuring blocks, a lot could be find from them about the driver's style).

I'm not here to tell you how you should use/drive your car. It's your car your money and we have the police to keep the worst drivers of the road and keep others relatively safe.

There are a lot of YouTube videos there, painting the picture how some people drive their 7Speed DSG equipped VAG cars, and hey, not everyone who drives the car like he stole it is posting it on the net. Oh and spare me of saying those are all from the race track or private roads.

VW Golf 6 TSI 1.4 DSG (122bhp) 0-215 km acceleration - YouTube

Do you want me to give you more ideas what to google, to find more car (any brand) abuse? Well I won't be wasting more of my time here, anyone can use their own brain.



I apologise to all those people who drive their cars normally or just occasionally put it through the paces and their DSG transmission had failed. I wasn't posting about them, but they most likely figured it out on their own.

[Rawcpoppa]

Well, if the car and ONLY city driving conditions were the issue and to blame here, then every single 7speed DSG would have to fail in a very short space of time in many cities, wouldn't you agree?

I understand what you are trying to say but my argument would be the sheer number of complaints pertaining to the 7 speed versus the 6 with different designs point to an issue more along the lines of mechanical design.

Not sure why you think it should occur in a short space of time either. Surely the varying distances and the amount of traffic encountered would make the times different as well. Basically what you should see are complaints over a long period and the various dsg related threads on watercooled Australia alone point to this over a four+ year period. Similar threads exist in China, Malaysia, Singapore, Russia and more for all VAG brands. This level of consistency in juddering complaints is not seen for other transmissions used by the VAG Group even over the last 5 to 10 years. I refuse to believe dq200 drivers as a group push their cars in different, more stressful ways than dq250 drivers which to me seems to be what you are trying to say? Not sure, correct me if I interpreted what you are saying incorrectly.

Not sure why you choose the word failure as well as we all know that juddering doesn't necessarily mean failure with respect to the clutches. It comes and goes but generally vehicle can still be driven but not comfortably.

Basically my point was that if the issue was really driver related VAG would have put instructions on the proper way to use the tranny as they write the manual to be pretty idiot proof.

Just out of curiosity, do you drive a DQ200 equipped vehicle regularly?

[Transporter]

Just out of curiosity, do you drive a DQ200 equipped vehicle regularly?

Yes, we have Golf6 118TSI. Also I have quite a few customers with 7sp DSG and so far they don't have anything to report and I always ask if there're any complaints. A close friend of mine bought Jetta 118 TSI, she drives +40,000km per year and had already done 70,000km a lot of them were also city driving and her DSG is silky smooth.

To answer your question; if the shuddering leads to a clutch replacement for which the gearbox need to be dismantled? How else would one call it? To me it's failure. How ever some may call it a premature wear.

The internet connects people with the similar problems in any country world wide, those who don't have them have no reason to post here or even to sign up.
That's why I'm signing out from this thread.

[Rawcpoppa]

Yes, we have Golf6 118TSI. Also I have quite a few customers with 7sp DSG and so far they don't have anything to report and I always ask if there're any complaints. A close friend of mine bought Jetta 118 TSI, she drives +40,000km per year and had already done 70,000km a lot of them were also city driving and her DSG is silky smooth.

To answer your question; if the shuddering leads to a clutch replacement for which the gearbox need to be dismantled? How else would one call it? To me it's failure. How ever some may call it a premature wear.

The internet connects people with the similar problems in any country world wide, those who don't have them have no reason to post here or even to sign up.
That's why I'm signing out from this thread.

Fair enough and happy that you haven't experienced these issues. I do believe however you are signing out of this thread due to you not being able to answer the other questions as your response doesn't explain the number and consistency of dq200 related issues in *comparison* to other problems discussed by persons

[zoomda]

I think there are far more worn out/faulty clutch packs out there than we know. Take the Polo GTI in my household. I don't drive the car often and it was when I drove it that I noticed the shuddering. I pointed it out to my partner and she said she though that was normal.

Once I had pointed out the issue she then realised just how often it does it when she drives it and the difference between when it changes gears smoothly/normally and when it shudders.

How many other people are driving around not even aware that there is an issue?

To make it worse, it took persistence to get VW to acknowledge the issue and to do the warranty work. Until then they said it is "in spec". The dealers have to follow strict guidelines enforced by VW for warranty work and they will do what they can to get out of putting their hand in their pockets. The mechanics knew full well that it shuddered (told me that in person) but it was only with persistence and stepping through VW's guidelines that eventually new clutch packs were approved.

It would be reasonable to think that others have raised the issue to be told that it is normal / in spec and so they didn't question it again.

[Rawcpoppa]

What confuses me is why it happens intermittently (car driven for 30 min or more) and why in the majority of cases the shudder occurs in gear 2. If clutches are really worn you'd expect shudder in all gears associated with that clutch and it should happen all the time after the first occurrence.