118TSI motor in Polo GTI

[Corey_R]

are you kidding?

so you are telling me that in the VI range of engines and builds only the R and GTI are what you consider "sport".

some might say a 5 dr hatchback is no sports car. however the 3 dr range (of gti R and rocco) are. that a ferrari, porsche, lambo etc are the only sports cars. has to be a coupe to be a sports car. and so on and so on...........

90TSI = non sport
77TDI= non sport
118TSI= non sport
103TDI = non sport

to quote VW on the 118TSI:

"Pinnacle of Performance
Place your own stamp on your Comfortline’s features. With the optional Sport Package, designed just for the Comfortline, you’ll enjoy. 17” Seattle alloy wheels, sports suspension and sports seats - for that extra chicane-handling performance, with low tyre-pressure indicator to help you stay fully pumped. Dark tinted rear side and rear windows optimise daytime driving, while front fog lights with static cornering illuminate any low-speed corners you may turn."

that's a lot of SPORT equipment for a non-sport model!!!!

Buddy, you're making my argument for me!
As I said, the 118TSI is not a sport model. Having all the "sports" components as OPTIONS just proves this. Because obviously if it WERE a sports model, all those parts would already be on the car.

[MariusGT]

If you remember, the 1.4TSI was originally in the "GT Sport" and produced 125kw in that. It was then detuned for power and reworked for fuel efficiency for the 118TSI, again as the 118TSI is positioned as a standard model Golf where economy takes priority over power.

OK fair point the 118 has been reworked or detuned in conjunction with the 7speed dsg for economy..

however i still believe the 118 is positioned as the sport model without stepping up to the pointy end where the GTI and R sit.

[MariusGT]

Buddy, you're making my argument for me!
As I said, the 118TSI is not a sport model. Having all the "sports" components as OPTIONS just proves this. Because obviously if it WERE a sports model, all those parts would already be on the car.

so where does the 118 sit in comparison to the 90 77 and 103?

[Corey_R]

so where does the 118 sit in comparison to the 90 77 and 103?

90TSI & 77TDI = Trendline
118TSI & 103TDI = Comfortline.

I'm sorry to be upsetting anyone here by pointing out what Volkswagen call and position the cars as, but this is the reality of the MK6 range.

MariusGT, I mean no offense to you or anyone else. I can see you drive a GT Sport. In the MKV range VW decided to place the GT's inbetween the Comfortline's and GTI/R32, but with the MK6 they decided to not do this. Maybe this is why they offer the "Sports Package" you mention. Either way, the 118TSI is on the same level as the 103TDI - as the two Comfortline models.

[jayjay]

I don't think anyone here is being particularly constructive.

Whilst this has nothing to with what the OP questioned, obviously the 118 has more power and torque than the others - 90tsi, 77tdi etc. however it is simply not marketed under an associated high performance label.

Useless semantic arguments don't help any body.

to the original question at hand, APR do not do in house performance tuning for volkswagen.

[Highlander]

Basically I see the ask as. "Is the 1.4 TSI in the forthcoming POLO GTI the same engine as in the 118 TSI Golf but simply in a higher state of tune or are there other mechanical differences?

and it looks like VW has enough confidence in the 7 speed DSG to accept the higher power and torque figures of the new Polo GTI - or are there any mechanical differences in the DSG in the Polo GTI and the 118TSI?

Haven't looked yet but as stated it's probably somewhere in the Polo forum.

[Corey_R]

Basically I see the ask as. "Is the 1.4 TSI in the forthcoming POLO GTI the same engine as in the 118 TSI Golf but simply in a higher state of tune or are there other mechanical differences?

and it looks like VW has enough confidence in the 7 speed DSG to accept the higher power and torque figures of the new Polo GTI - or are there any mechanical differences in the DSG in the Polo GTI and the 118TSI?

It is the identical engine and gearbox

The question was answered in the 2nd post of the thread (by myself, although the question of the gearbox wasn't asked until you bought it up).

[Highlander]

Not worth getting too worked up over the "sports" tag anyway as it obviously means different things to different people. I mean this ad says it all


2010 KIA RIO JB MY10 SPORTS SE
$14,890 drive away

[MariusGT]

I'm sorry to be upsetting anyone here by pointing out what Volkswagen call and position the cars as, but this is the reality of the MK6 range.

MariusGT, I mean no offense to you or anyone else. I can see you drive a GT Sport. In the MKV range VW decided to place the GT's inbetween the Comfortline's and GTI/R32, but with the MK6 they decided to not do this. Maybe this is why they offer the "Sports Package" you mention. Either way, the 118TSI is on the same level as the 103TDI - as the two Comfortline models.

hey hey, i am not upset or offended... and i expect no one else is.

it's called a discussion and though a little off topic--> not far off!

anyway. it's not a semantic argument. i understand what coreying is saying and i do agree with him to a point...
putting aside all the marketing jargon and "high performance label" of an R or GTI-> the 118 IS the sport alternative withing the regular range.

just my opinion.

[Corey_R]

Not worth getting too worked up over the "sports" tag anyway as it obviously means different things to different people. I mean this ad says it all


2010 KIA RIO JB MY10 SPORTS SE
$14,890 drive away

Lol. Good point.

Although, with the Golf, the "Sport" tag affects insurance, and also what cars the P platers can obtain access to. For example, a P plater can get an except to drive the 118TSI, as Volkswagen do not position it as a sports model in their lineup. They can't get an exception for the GTI though as it is marketted as a sports model in the lineup.

But as jayjay pointed out. The discussion is pointless. The cars are what Volkswagen make them and call them, and the original question was is the engine the same or have changes been made, and that's been answered

putting aside all the marketing jargon and "high performance label" of an R or GTI-> the 118 IS the sport alternative withing the regular range.

Then so is the 103TDI Comfortline, as just with the 118TSI Comfortline, it's also available with the optional "Sport Package" with the sporty Tyre Pressure Monitoring Function and other "Sporty" features like that

In the end, it doesn't matter what my opinion is or what your opinion is. Volkswagen call it a Comfortline. Insurance groups and P Plate restrictions etc are all based around that.